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Old 07-12-2012, 12:45 AM   #201
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

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but seriously, why did this become an issue all of a sudden? i mean wasn't the game in question a month or two ago or something?
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:45 AM   #202
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

So for people who haven't read the thread yet.
Cliffs on What Magic Has Done-
He gave up as a wolf without outing any of his teammates
He broke a game that was already broken

Anything else?
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:45 AM   #203
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

this is also why i got punished more in a game once "because i knew better"

and i said all should be punished the same
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:46 AM   #204
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

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but seriously, why did this become an issue all of a sudden? i mean wasn't the game in question a month or two ago or something?
xnerd brought up that she thought that numbers guy wasnt a new player. We investigated and found out it was magic gazz, a repeat offender. He wasn't reprimanded for his actions right after the game because he was given a noob pass for not knowing any better. Now that we know he knew better, he deserves reprimand.

the fact that this is coming to light now, and how its coming to light, isn't of any importance.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:46 AM   #205
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I do agree that someone should lift Cross's infraction tho.
afaik she doesn't have any so unless she's talking about another type of infraction then I dunno
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:46 AM   #206
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

lol @ anyone who says he shouldn't be banned for any length of time

what does it take to ban someone
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:46 AM   #207
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

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but seriously, why did this become an issue all of a sudden? i mean wasn't the game in question a month or two ago or something?
Crossnerd started a pub witch hunt on Systolic and stumbled into an actual witch in magic_gazz purely by accident.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:47 AM   #208
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

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yes

and hes allowed

in fact, im fine with him not being punished

read the sticky:

  • Signing up two or more accounts for one game (multi-accounting) is cheating and will get you banned
  • Gimmick accounts are generally allowed, but check with theu game mod
  • It may be considered bad etiquette by some to play on a gimmick and pretend to be a new player when you are not
Bad etiquette. That's all

I pmed wellnamed the day that sticky went up and told him if he doesnt change it that rule was gonna bite him in the ass


i wonder if i still have it
regardless, he cannot be banned for it based on the sticky
All of this ONLY APPLIES inside a WW game.

The game was over and there was mod involvement. He lied to the mods, who had direct communication with him, by continuing to withhold his identity, in the face of punishments being handed out, and he did that intentionally to avoid his own comeuppance.

Your rules about gimmicks don't actually apply to this situation and I wish you woudl take your personal ****ing vendetta elsewhere right now mets bc its seriously pissing me off and muddling the real issue.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:47 AM   #209
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Being lenient with bull**** is why games have started to not fill up lately
Well that's just silly

I like you a lot, chuckles, but you're reaching here
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:47 AM   #210
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

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I have PMs about why Numbers wasn't punished based on him being new, but I was punished. The guy got away with breaking a game (for like the fifth ****ing time) and walking away clean.
Okay, I can see why you are so upset then.

krayz, what's the point of banning him for three months, say? He just comes back, no lesson learned, and breaks another game or two.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:47 AM   #211
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I read that postgame pretty closely and I think it was far from determined whether some random would have gotten a punishment in that situation. Maybe an "infraction", that's it.

I'm presuming "innocence" on the part of magic_numbers here, in that I'm presuming that he was telling the truth - something actually came up that prevented him from making it to the thread at f5. If that had happened to me, or Crossnerd, or Eurotrash, or tappokone, do you think any of us would be up for a ban?

So a) "he used being a new player to avoid punishment" is not really proven, since we don't know if anyone else would have been punished in that place, and b) I don't really like the undertones floating around here (not necessarily from you, VMF) that he intentionally broke the game.
I'm not so sure that he intentionally broke the game.

What I do know is that he clearly doesn't understand what the results of his actions are and also shows no regard for others that put time into games. His post game "better to just move on and start a new game" proves that.
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

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lol @ anyone who says he shouldn't be banned for any length of time

what does it take to ban someone
There should not be a fluffy grey zone where you can get away with most things in a ww game, and be "reprimanded" after.

If you angleshoot a game for other people that are investing a lot of time and energy, you should be dealt with harshly.

If you do it SEVERAL TIMES and make a gimmick because your main account is losing any strings of patience the community has with it, you should get banned.

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Old 07-12-2012, 12:48 AM   #213
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I agree with Felix, SIU, MB, HS, Chips, Gad, vix and Jim.
Ah, the anti lynch mob party
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

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Being lenient with bull**** is why games have started to not fill up lately
K cool lets just ban everyone whos ever done something wrong. Then the games will definitely fill.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:49 AM   #215
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Okay, I can see why you are so upset then.

krayz, what's the point of banning him for three months, say? He just comes back, no lesson learned, and breaks another game or two.
I haven't thought that deeply about it tbh
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K cool lets just ban everyone whos ever done something wrong. Then the games will definitely fill.
nice strawman
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:49 AM   #217
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

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So a) "he used being a new player to avoid punishment" is not really proven, since we don't know if anyone else would have been punished in that place, and b) I don't really like the undertones floating around here (not necessarily from you, VMF) that he intentionally broke the game.
Based on my discussions with mods over the issue, I do believe I know whether or not numbers was shown leniency for his 'new player' claim, and its a resounding ****ing YES.

Do I seriously need to quote PMs?
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So for people who haven't read the thread yet.
Cliffs on What Magic Has Done-
He gave up as a wolf without outing any of his teammates
He broke a game that was already broken

Anything else?
Nothing?
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:50 AM   #219
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

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So for people who haven't read the thread yet.
Cliffs on What Magic Has Done-
He gave up as a wolf without outing any of his teammates
He broke a game that was already broken

Anything else?
Burn Notice - While not under pressure of being lynched, he outted himself as a wolf instead of subbing out. Foregoing a likely mislynch for his team.

HP4 - While under no pressure of being ITA'd/lynched, he said he wasn't having fun and shot at a clear villager, then subsequently shot at other villagers spewing them villager instead of subbing out.

Dr. Suess/Sneetches - the thing with annie and skype (might have been resolved already, not sure)

WSOWW 1.A - Abandoned the game at f5 instead of subbing out. Escaped reprimand for feigning noobness (understandable if he really wanted a fresh start)

Worth noting that through all of this he hasn't shown that he understands what he did was wrong and has shown no real attempt to improve himself
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

That strawman is so feeble the wind has already blown it away
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:50 AM   #221
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When it constantly happens we can reach some conclusions, such as that at minimum he doesn't care how much he ****s up the game
Yes, I agree that he's shown no sign of caring about anything except that people yell at him. I'm not saying he should be acquitted, after all.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:50 AM   #222
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afaik she doesn't have any so unless she's talking about another type of infraction then I dunno
It was worked out since we didn't know numbers identity and numbers wasnt infracted bc of his noobness.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:51 AM   #223
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

so let's say he's not perma'd.

all his defenders: what do you think his minimum ban should be?
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:51 AM   #224
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So punish numbers by giving him the infraction he would have gotten at the time if people knew he wasn't new.

How is a perma ban warranted?
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:51 AM   #225
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Crossnerd started a pub witch hunt on Systolic and stumbled into an actual witch in magic_gazz purely by accident.
The witch hunt was always for numbers, Systo just lit the fuse.

I apologized to Systo and meant it.
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