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Old 07-12-2012, 01:46 PM   #601
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Deliberations

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This whole post is good, and the last sentence is perfectly fair. I suspect that in application it will work differently, however, and that people will jump on magic for things that would go entirely (or mostly) unremarked as just part of the normal course of a thread if someone else did them.
I think you've got a fair point but I'm skeptical b/c usually only wolves say my posts are good.
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:46 PM   #602
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The entire problem is people trying to find a way to get around the rules. The game is simple, in spirit. Don't be a douchebag and play fair.
Totally agree.
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:46 PM   #603
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After speaking with well named and TL I believe "model" poster is to applied somewhat loosely.

We're certainly not talking about circumventing a profanity filter or anything like that.
This gives me comfort, and I'll trust in the mods.
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:47 PM   #604
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There's a difference between condoning behavior and having a crazy public witch hunt LDO.
The witch hunt aspect of page 1 was just funny to me.

And anyway, I think once we get past the theatrics of the witch hunt the real issue is whether he deserved an extended probation or not. Either we only punish people who blatantly cross a line that almost never gets crossed (i.e. multi-accounters) or add a degree of subjectivity to preclude trolls from sliding through the cracks.


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Gah, this is I think one of magic's problems, he sees an ambiguity in the rules and exploits it, which imo he can do without punishment because them's the rules, even if it's against the spirit of the game. Me suggesting ground rules was trying to get around this but I can see why that might not work.
Yeah, exactly.

Like 90% of POG arguments about ww integrity are over somebody who seems to have done something wrong without having a clear solution based on explicit ground rules. Hard to encompass everything with hard and fast rules.
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:47 PM   #605
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Aside from rules violations? That's an odd way of asking for this.

Except for the things you hate about him... what do you have about him?
no i said that bc a lot of ppl have said stuff along the lines of "rules violations aside, i just HATE playing with him in general". i'm just wondering what that other stuff is exactly.

and the rules violations have been dealt with, so what are we talking about really?
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:48 PM   #606
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Succintly said.

(Although I didn't know that missing one game day was such a huge deal. I missed multiple game days in Inception because I was out of town. I let the mod know about it and offered to sub out, but my absence still must have had a deleterious effect on the game. I can see consistently missing gamedays being grounds for modkill or w/e, but just missing one game day? I dunno if that's so transgressive as to justify a permaban in any scenario. Real life happens.)
Definitely agree with "real life happens" for sure.
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:48 PM   #607
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Definitely agree with "real life happens" for sure.
Of course

It happened to me

And I am sorry
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:48 PM   #608
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I think you guys may be overanalyzing my specific wording too much. Damned lawyers

also as far as the comment about super double secret probation and game mods just being able to normally exclude anyone they want: that is actually already the rule, I was just reiterating it as part of my larger explanation of what I think is appropriate.
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:49 PM   #609
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Basically, bsball for mod

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My last thoughts are:

Is it that ****ing difficult to just follow the rules and not attempt to angleshoot yourself, cheat, sabotage your team, or be a huge dbag?

Why can't people just learn how to ****ing behave? I can't imagine having to deal with some of you in a real life environment. I bet you guys have fun times getting along with others at work.
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:49 PM   #610
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The entire problem is people trying to find a way to get around the rules. The game is simple, in spirit. Don't be a douchebag and play fair.
i don't really understand how this is isn't a sufficient set of guidelines to make the games run well, but for some reason it doesn't seem to be
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:49 PM   #611
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Sure, I'm not saying it isn't and I'm not saying that gazz should get away with his actions and, by and large, he hasn't. He got a suspension and served it. I'm merely trying to find the best way in which he can become a part of the community because, as I said via PM, I think he can, before we cast him out into the wilderness.
do you not think that giving him an extended break to let him know that we're not ****ing around and then giving him a shot at redemption is a decent way to handle it?

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The entire problem is people trying to find a way to get around the rules. The game is simple, in spirit. Don't be a douchebag and play fair.
chim killing it with one sentence posts today
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:49 PM   #612
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chim killing it with one sentence posts today
That post was 3 sentences.
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:50 PM   #613
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no i said that bc a lot of ppl have said stuff along the lines of "rules violations aside, i just HATE playing with him in general". i'm just wondering what that other stuff is exactly.

and the rules violations have been dealt with, so what are we talking about really?
Well they had but they hadn't. Knowing he owned more than just the 'magic_gazz' account certainly increased the scope of his "body of work" here on POG>
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That post was 3 sentences.
yeah but if i had tried to write it, i would have made it a giant run-on sentence. so it was a single sentence post in my heart!
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:50 PM   #615
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i don't really understand how this is isn't a sufficient set of guidelines to make the games run well, but for some reason it doesn't seem to be
Because I agree most likely
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:51 PM   #616
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yeah but if i had tried to write it, i would have made it a giant run-on sentence. so it was a single sentence post in my heart!
I just really wanted to respond to your post with a one sentence reply.
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:52 PM   #617
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Deliberations

This thread has really run its course at this point. Just sayin'.
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:53 PM   #618
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Deliberations

wow so numbers was magic_gizz?
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:53 PM   #619
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This thread has really run its course at this point. Just sayin'.
if you lock it, the discussion will just go back into pub tho
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:53 PM   #620
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That post was 3 sentences.
lolz
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:54 PM   #621
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do you not think that giving him an extended break to let him know that we're not ****ing around and then giving him a shot at redemption is a decent way to handle it?
It's decent but I think there are better ways. I think this probation is better. Really it's the witch hunt I think is wrong rather than the punishment for gazz's actions as I don't think it was constructive and just served for a bunch of people to flame him. Since it reopened it has been pretty constructive but I don't think that the first part should have happened. People were telling him to GTFO and die etc which just isn't cool, as WN pointed out in his reopening post.

Yeah I think now though we've reached a point where TTHRIC
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wow so numbers was magic_gizz?
yeah buddy
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:56 PM   #623
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This thread has really run its course at this point. Just sayin'.
I tend to agree, but I'll let it run it's course a little longer and then we'll close it I think.
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Old 07-12-2012, 01:57 PM   #624
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This thread has really run its course at this point. Just sayin'.
You have moderated politics long enough to know that the discussion will go on long past when it has actually run its course.

And I'm not so sure that's a bad thing, provided it's contained somewhere. If you stop it here, it will go back to the pub.

I don't know. I'm still new around here. Maybe I have it all wrong.
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I tend to agree, but I'll let it run it's course a little longer and then we'll close it I think.
So

Gimmicks?
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