2 month ww ban

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haha seriously this was the first thing i saw and just facepalmed

I wasn't here when Systo was a bad boy and I've never seen anything but good from him.

yah Systo is awesome

Proposed Ruling

Findings

• magic_gazz directly violated "you are expected to participate if you sign up for the game" by failing to post on one game day.
• magic_gazz directly violated "you are expected to behave civilly" during post-game discussion. The severity of this incident was minor.
• magic_gazz violated the intent of "note that all rules are subject to modification by game mods, and game mods may enforce rules at their discretion" by failing to disclose to the game mod that he was not, in fact, a new player, upon direct questioning by the game mod. However, there was no direct violation of this rule. There is a mitigating factor: "it may be considered bad etiquette by some to play on a gimmick and pretend to be a new player when you are not" may create confusion as to the allowable scope of false claims associated with gimmick accounts.
• magic_gazz has, prior to this incident, accrued one infraction, resulting in a two-week suspension from werewolf. The suspension was followed.

Ruling

• magic_gazz is given a further one month suspension from werewolf.
• Furthermore, magic_gazz is warned that any further infractions entered into the Official Werewolf Fouls and Rules Violations Thread within a one year period will result in an automatic permanent ban from POG werewolf.
• magic_gazz remains welcome to participate in all other POG games.

Rules Changes and Clarifications

• It should be clarified that game mods must be notified of any gimmicks and the identity of said gimmicks' other/main accounts upon request.
• Furthermore, to avoid any situations of uneven information contrary to the spirit of werewolf, if one player in a game knows the identity of a gimmick in that game for a fact (for example, from modding a game for that gimmick in the past), the rules should state that player must reveal his/her knowledge of the gimmick's identity to the game mod. It is recommended for the game mod to post this information for all players to see.
• (debatable) It should be clarified that the purpose of allowing gimmicks is to allow players to play single games without revealing their identities, and that no player is entitled to keep the gimmick's identity secret after that single game is over. In other words, players should not expect to be able to use a single gimmick over the span of multiple games.
• It should be clarified that, if a player will be permanently using a different account for werewolf, and does not wish to be associated with the previous account, the player must notify [insert a POG mod here]. Permanently changing accounts will not expunge prior infractions; should further infractions occur, expect the link with the prior account to be revealed.

probably

This is actually x-posted with my proposal.

Great minds think alike?

Tar and feather him, and make him apologize for lying in the post game to avoid punishment. Also admit to being a massive coward for trying to gain sympathy with lies.

You are making this very personal against him.

I don't think that's warranted.

Heh, read through the thread jenn/cross bumped. Was amusing to see people claiming there was a pog clique against her. **** is cyclic.

CASTRATE HIM

felix

ive proposed most of those rules before

good luck with that

Magic, you thought you got away with that one, huh?

Watch me dance right now. I'm dancing. Can you see me??

Ship it?

Really, you must not have read all the **** he said to me in that post game or seen the insults wellnamed had to edit out of his posts.

NONE of my posts needed editing. Not one.

Magic camp exist regardless of our belief in his innocense, i just think worse crimes have been commited and there was no consequences because of the "high status" of the offender.

I really do believe him about the stuff coming up, just all you gotta do is hit me with a PM.

examples

The funny thing is, its a **** argument. It was then and it is now.

People didn't like me back then for good reason. The same way people don't like Magic now for a reason.

Change your behavior. Then you can be in the ****ing club. Its that simple.

Ok laying in bed now and upon further reflection I see no benefit in leaving this thread open for the time being.

A lot of people affected by magic_numbers (stolen from Felix) have had a chance to speak and to PM me. I think the consensus is clear. There should be further punishment given what we know. The scope of the punishment is never going to be agreed upon by all of POG and I certainly don't want to try to come to that spot.

This thread will stand as a reminder to Gazz and warning to new players about the ramifications of simply not caring. No one (or at least that I can see) is saying we should punish Gazz for being a bad player (whether or not that's true - I dunno) however he does need to be punished for continued disregard for POG rules and the fun nature of WW games, and all POG games for that matter.

From here, we (meaning POG mods) will talk among ourselves and also with magic_gazz to reach a resolution that we deem to be fair. The result will be posted in this thread and no further discussion should be necessary.

g'night

one addendum. it's been my experience in this forum, ww specifically, that there is a lot of players talking down to other players they perceive as weaker. whether it's a teaching tactic, pressure for a reaction, or just plain being an overt dick it tends to hurt games because it makes them more inaccessible imo. some folks are really helpful and patient (chips, herbie, soah all immediately spring to mind) and i feel the games are better for it. not a lot of new folks coming in are becoming these kinds of players though. the dismissive attitudes do permeate the community as new players enter and it kind of sucks imo.

i actually went back and read my POG game and i caught myself doing it to happy_fish and i wanted to punch myself in the face for being that guy.

not advocating any sort of change. just positing how gary's reactions likely could have been exacerbated and how that may relate to the future of ww. this isn't like SE or 4L where people can enjoy from the outside. the fun with POG comes from participating in POG and being a bit more friendly sometimes couldn't hurt imo.

I've personally probably repeatedly gone over the line in terms of personal insults in-game. Never once gotten any sort of warning.

insults dont break games

GG Magic

One last thing before I lock this up -

If magic so chooses I will allow him to respond in this thread and then relock it.