his attitude after all of these mistakes was "ive been punished, screw u and become a mod if u want me gone"

if there's a ****** running loose who doesn't realize murder is bad and keeps murderin', how long do you put him in jail for? 2 weeks at a time and hope he learns his lesson?

I don't think anyone is saying that he ****s up games intentionally. Yet the fact of the matter is that he keeps ****ing up games repeatedly, and every single time it happens he says the same 2 things afterwards:

1) It wasn't really that big of a deal.
2) People should expect others to make mistakes and be forgiving of them.

Someone with this attitude isn't going to stop ****ing up games, because he doesn't care about it, and even in games where he doesn't blatantly do something wrong, that type of attitude is likely to end up hurting his team at some point, one way or another. For example, he allegedly voted at must-lynch without even reading any of the posts that had been made.

On top of that, he's just a very obnoxious person and not fun to interact with at all.

He has no redeeming qualities.

I can cosign this

Honestly I'd be surprised if he ever even wants to play here again after all of this

ooh i thought of one

what about the krayz gimmick game where he was a wolf and didnt post all of day 1 and broke the game?

I will point out again that, paradoxically, the aftermath of magic conceding at f23 or whatever it was in Burn Notice likely led to several ADDITIONAL mislynches that might not otherwise have been possible

dude's name is lynch. that ought to count for something right?

and ftr i like gary. i think he's a good guy who just lacks some empathy at times

My argument, would be the body of his work as whole. Does that make him a net positive to the fourm?

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dude what is wrong with you

he conceeded under no pressure

ur not his attorney here

why does the results of mislynching matter to you

I've enjoyed playing with him in several games

the worst part of all this is that, in years to come, whenever there's a new player that posts vaguely in the manner of magic, we're going to be witchhunting all over again

Yeah, we should also let people who **** up games repeatedly continue to play, hoping they stop ****ing them up.

Would it be beneficial if I went and quoted relevant posts from these situations so we can at least see them in front of us instead of everyone spazzing out everywhere?

Ftr, this entire this is aids btw
i understand it, but its still aids
pog has descended into madness

Kill someone. Anything less and it's too harsh of a punishment

also the game where he complained about too many utr villagers, then promptly posted a thread complaining about utr villagers, resulting in his modkill

I completely agree.

I'm not saying he's completely innocent. If I were his court-appointed WW Public Defender then I'd be running to the WW Prosecutor looking for a plea bargain right now.

I'm saying that:

• He's broken surprisingly few rules for all the accusations that have been made;
• The rules that he has broken, he's been infracted/restricted for in accordance with POG mod policy;
• He has abided by aforementioned restrictions;
• He's expressly within his rights to make a gimmick and claim to be a new player;
• Continuing to maintain that he's a new player in the post-game may or may not be infract-worthy (to be honest, I still haven't figured out how I feel about that);
• Failing to post for one day, even if it is a crucial day, probably is not an infraction (considering how often it happens and is not infracted);
• In light of his prior incidents, failing to post for one day may or may not be an infraction, as a pattern of behavior can be a violation where a single incident is not;
• None of this justifies the sort of punishment that several people in this thread are calling for.

Because Aksdal said that his concession caused his team to forego a mislynch. I'm pointing out that it's more complicated than that.

Get off my jock.

siu if it wasnt against the rules to concede as a wolf when the rest of your team doesnt want to he wouldnt have gotten suspended for it

donuts

Outting yourself as a wolf with the intention of getting purposely lynched so that you don't have to play is definitely against the rules and the spirit of the rules.

yep

and then we get yelled at for harrassing new players

this is what ive been saying

if you have vague rules like "it's bad ettiquette" then dont bitch when it happens

As someone that spent hours of his time in burn notice posting while being a near consensus wolf because I was trying to at least do something to help my team somehow, don't you go around condoning him openly conceding as some sort of net positive. That's completely absurd.

ShipItUp, "not against the rules" is not a defence here.

Take HP4. He shoots a clear villa to out himself, then shoots at other villas, clearing them. This hurts his team. You can argue it didn't hurt them much but it certainly didn't help them and wasn't intended to. It also hurts the village. If our opposition doesn't try, the game is also ****ed up for us. Do you not get that? We spend a week or two striving against people who mostly really want to beat us. It gets quite emotional and people get very invested. To have some dick say "it really doesn't matter" really rankles. It's like playing someone at tennis and they keep hitting it into the net to piss you off.

im not sure if he was in his right to be on that gimmick

it was a wsoww game and didnt hoya need to know all that info?

It seriously scares me that so many people are defending him.

With more players like magic, you realize that games are never going to run smoothly, there will always be people ****ing them up, because they are allowed to continually **** them up with no consequences.

I would support a combo ban for ****ing up games and sucking at games after >10, fair game imo.