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Old 07-12-2012, 12:51 AM   #226
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

his attitude after all of these mistakes was "ive been punished, screw u and become a mod if u want me gone"
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if there's a ****** running loose who doesn't realize murder is bad and keeps murderin', how long do you put him in jail for? 2 weeks at a time and hope he learns his lesson?
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I don't think anyone is saying that he ****s up games intentionally. Yet the fact of the matter is that he keeps ****ing up games repeatedly, and every single time it happens he says the same 2 things afterwards:

1) It wasn't really that big of a deal.
2) People should expect others to make mistakes and be forgiving of them.

Someone with this attitude isn't going to stop ****ing up games, because he doesn't care about it, and even in games where he doesn't blatantly do something wrong, that type of attitude is likely to end up hurting his team at some point, one way or another. For example, he allegedly voted at must-lynch without even reading any of the posts that had been made.

On top of that, he's just a very obnoxious person and not fun to interact with at all.

He has no redeeming qualities.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:52 AM   #229
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*grunch*

magic has been frustrating for me to play with. My read is he wanted to help the team but bad stuff happened, vs. intentionally trying to kill the game.

He doesn't have a good sense for how his words or actions affect others. He lacks empathy.

I think he knows silman IRL? A mod PM to Silman for background and depth could be productive.

Motivation: He probably thought magic is unfairly tagged for past transgressions and a new account would help. But there really is a problem with his current fit.

This is not like a cheating scandal where auto-perma makes sense. My preliminary thought is 6 months without werewolf*. If he wants to sheep, other games, pub, etc., that could work fine. If he sticks around then some adjustment will have taken place, and I would try again playing werewolf with him.

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* I don't know the actual official list of good/bad.
I can cosign this

Honestly I'd be surprised if he ever even wants to play here again after all of this
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:52 AM   #230
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Burn Notice - While not under pressure of being lynched, he outted himself as a wolf instead of subbing out. Foregoing a likely mislynch for his team.

HP4 - While under no pressure of being ITA'd/lynched, he said he wasn't having fun and shot at a clear villager, then subsequently shot at other villagers spewing them villager instead of subbing out.

Dr. Suess/Sneetches - the thing with annie and skype (might have been resolved already, not sure)

WSOWW 1.A - Abandoned the game at f5 instead of subbing out. Escaped reprimand for feigning noobness (understandable if he really wanted a fresh start)

Worth noting that through all of this he hasn't shown that he understands what he did was wrong and has shown no real attempt to improve himself
ooh i thought of one

what about the krayz gimmick game where he was a wolf and didnt post all of day 1 and broke the game?
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:52 AM   #231
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Burn Notice - While not under pressure of being lynched, he outted himself as a wolf instead of subbing out. Foregoing a likely mislynch for his team.

HP4 - While under no pressure of being ITA'd/lynched, he said he wasn't having fun and shot at a clear villager, then subsequently shot at other villagers spewing them villager instead of subbing out.

Dr. Suess/Sneetches - the thing with annie and skype (might have been resolved already, not sure)

WSOWW 1.A - Abandoned the game at f5 instead of subbing out. Escaped reprimand for feigning noobness (understandable if he really wanted a fresh start)

Worth noting that through all of this he hasn't shown that he understands what he did was wrong and has shown no real attempt to improve himself
I will point out again that, paradoxically, the aftermath of magic conceding at f23 or whatever it was in Burn Notice likely led to several ADDITIONAL mislynches that might not otherwise have been possible
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:53 AM   #232
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

dude's name is lynch. that ought to count for something right?

and ftr i like gary. i think he's a good guy who just lacks some empathy at times

Spoiler:
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:53 AM   #233
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So punish numbers by giving him the infraction he would have gotten at the time if people knew he wasn't new.

How is a perma ban warranted?
My argument, would be the body of his work as whole. Does that make him a net positive to the fourm?
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:54 AM   #234
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Burn Notice - While not under pressure of being lynched, he outted himself as a wolf instead of subbing out. Foregoing a likely mislynch for his team.
Not against the rules
HP4 - While under no pressure of being ITA'd/lynched, he said he wasn't having fun and shot at a clear villager, then subsequently shot at other villagers spewing them villager instead of subbing out.
Not against the rules
Dr. Suess/Sneetches - the thing with annie and skype (might have been resolved already, not sure)
Not proven so not against the rules
WSOWW 1.A - Abandoned the game at f5 instead of subbing out. Escaped reprimand for feigning noobness (understandable if he really wanted a fresh start)
That game was broken already I'll explain why next post
Worth noting that through all of this he hasn't shown that he understands what he did was wrong and has shown no real attempt to improve himself
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I will point out again that, paradoxically, the aftermath of magic conceding at f23 or whatever it was in Burn Notice likely led to several ADDITIONAL mislynches that might not otherwise have been possible
dude what is wrong with you

he conceeded under no pressure

ur not his attorney here

why does the results of mislynching matter to you
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:54 AM   #236
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I don't think anyone is saying that he ****s up games intentionally. Yet the fact of the matter is that he keeps ****ing up games repeatedly, and every single time it happens he says the same 2 things afterwards:

1) It wasn't really that big of a deal.
2) People should expect others to make mistakes and be forgiving of them.

Someone with this attitude isn't going to stop ****ing up games, because he doesn't care about it, and even in games where he doesn't blatantly do something wrong, that type of attitude is likely to end up hurting his team at some point, one way or another. For example, he allegedly voted at must-lynch without even reading any of the posts that had been made.

On top of that, he's just a very obnoxious person and not fun to interact with at all.

He has no redeeming qualities.
I've enjoyed playing with him in several games
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:54 AM   #237
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

the worst part of all this is that, in years to come, whenever there's a new player that posts vaguely in the manner of magic, we're going to be witchhunting all over again
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:54 AM   #238
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K cool lets just ban everyone whos ever done something wrong. Then the games will definitely fill.
Yeah, we should also let people who **** up games repeatedly continue to play, hoping they stop ****ing them up.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:54 AM   #239
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Burn Notice - While not under pressure of being lynched, he outted himself as a wolf instead of subbing out. Foregoing a likely mislynch for his team.

HP4 - While under no pressure of being ITA'd/lynched, he said he wasn't having fun and shot at a clear villager, then subsequently shot at other villagers spewing them villager instead of subbing out.

Dr. Suess/Sneetches - the thing with annie and skype (might have been resolved already, not sure)

WSOWW 1.A - Abandoned the game at f5 instead of subbing out. Escaped reprimand for feigning noobness (understandable if he really wanted a fresh start)

Worth noting that through all of this he hasn't shown that he understands what he did was wrong and has shown no real attempt to improve himself


Would it be beneficial if I went and quoted relevant posts from these situations so we can at least see them in front of us instead of everyone spazzing out everywhere?

Ftr, this entire this is aids btw
i understand it, but its still aids
pog has descended into madness
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:54 AM   #240
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lol @ anyone who says he shouldn't be banned for any length of time

what does it take to ban someone
Kill someone. Anything less and it's too harsh of a punishment
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:55 AM   #241
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Burn Notice - While not under pressure of being lynched, he outted himself as a wolf instead of subbing out. Foregoing a likely mislynch for his team.

HP4 - While under no pressure of being ITA'd/lynched, he said he wasn't having fun and shot at a clear villager, then subsequently shot at other villagers spewing them villager instead of subbing out.

Dr. Suess/Sneetches - the thing with annie and skype (might have been resolved already, not sure)

WSOWW 1.A - Abandoned the game at f5 instead of subbing out. Escaped reprimand for feigning noobness (understandable if he really wanted a fresh start)

Worth noting that through all of this he hasn't shown that he understands what he did was wrong and has shown no real attempt to improve himself
also the game where he complained about too many utr villagers, then promptly posted a thread complaining about utr villagers, resulting in his modkill
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:55 AM   #242
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I'm not so sure that he intentionally broke the game.

What I do know is that he clearly doesn't understand what the results of his actions are and also shows no regard for others that put time into games. His post game "better to just move on and start a new game" proves that.
I completely agree.

I'm not saying he's completely innocent. If I were his court-appointed WW Public Defender then I'd be running to the WW Prosecutor looking for a plea bargain right now.

I'm saying that:
  • He's broken surprisingly few rules for all the accusations that have been made;
  • The rules that he has broken, he's been infracted/restricted for in accordance with POG mod policy;
  • He has abided by aforementioned restrictions;
  • He's expressly within his rights to make a gimmick and claim to be a new player;
  • Continuing to maintain that he's a new player in the post-game may or may not be infract-worthy (to be honest, I still haven't figured out how I feel about that);
  • Failing to post for one day, even if it is a crucial day, probably is not an infraction (considering how often it happens and is not infracted);
  • In light of his prior incidents, failing to post for one day may or may not be an infraction, as a pattern of behavior can be a violation where a single incident is not;
  • None of this justifies the sort of punishment that several people in this thread are calling for.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:55 AM   #243
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dude what is wrong with you

he conceeded under no pressure

ur not his attorney here

why does the results of mislynching matter to you
Because Aksdal said that his concession caused his team to forego a mislynch. I'm pointing out that it's more complicated than that.

Get off my jock.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:55 AM   #244
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siu if it wasnt against the rules to concede as a wolf when the rest of your team doesnt want to he wouldnt have gotten suspended for it

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Outting yourself as a wolf with the intention of getting purposely lynched so that you don't have to play is definitely against the rules and the spirit of the rules.
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the worst part of all this is that, in years to come, whenever there's a new player that posts vaguely in the manner of magic, we're going to be witchhunting all over again
yep

and then we get yelled at for harrassing new players

this is what ive been saying

if you have vague rules like "it's bad ettiquette" then dont ***** when it happens
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I will point out again that, paradoxically, the aftermath of magic conceding at f23 or whatever it was in Burn Notice likely led to several ADDITIONAL mislynches that might not otherwise have been possible
As someone that spent hours of his time in burn notice posting while being a near consensus wolf because I was trying to at least do something to help my team somehow, don't you go around condoning him openly conceding as some sort of net positive. That's completely absurd.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:57 AM   #248
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ShipItUp, "not against the rules" is not a defence here.

Take HP4. He shoots a clear villa to out himself, then shoots at other villas, clearing them. This hurts his team. You can argue it didn't hurt them much but it certainly didn't help them and wasn't intended to. It also hurts the village. If our opposition doesn't try, the game is also ****ed up for us. Do you not get that? We spend a week or two striving against people who mostly really want to beat us. It gets quite emotional and people get very invested. To have some dick say "it really doesn't matter" really rankles. It's like playing someone at tennis and they keep hitting it into the net to piss you off.
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I completely agree.

I'm not saying he's completely innocent. If I were his court-appointed WW Public Defender then I'd be running to the WW Prosecutor looking for a plea bargain right now.

I'm saying that:
  • He's broken surprisingly few rules for all the accusations that have been made;
  • The rules that he has broken, he's been infracted/restricted for in accordance with POG mod policy;
  • He has abided by aforementioned restrictions;
  • He's expressly within his rights to make a gimmick and claim to be a new player;
  • Continuing to maintain that he's a new player in the post-game may or may not be infract-worthy (to be honest, I still haven't figured out how I feel about that);
  • Failing to post for one day, even if it is a crucial day, probably is not an infraction (considering how often it happens and is not infracted);
  • In light of his prior incidents, failing to post for one day may or may not be an infraction, as a pattern of behavior can be a violation where a single incident is not;
  • None of this justifies the sort of punishment that several people in this thread are calling for.
im not sure if he was in his right to be on that gimmick

it was a wsoww game and didnt hoya need to know all that info?
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:58 AM   #250
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It seriously scares me that so many people are defending him.

With more players like magic, you realize that games are never going to run smoothly, there will always be people ****ing them up, because they are allowed to continually **** them up with no consequences.

I would support a combo ban for ****ing up games and sucking at games after >10, fair game imo.
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