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Old 07-12-2012, 12:06 AM   #1
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WW Court Version 1 - The Verdict

This is our first addition of WW court.

The following posters are alleged to be the same player:

magic_gazz
742617000027

Why do we think they are the same? Birth date loaded in profile is a match. Post IPs are also a match. Posting style and attitude in WW games also a match.

So what's the problem?

Let me first be clear that there is no allegation of multi-accounting involved in this situation. These players didn't play in the same game at any time upon a fairly deep search.

The problem is that both posters have been accused of ruining games and also taking away from the enjoyment of other players. Both players also claim to be new players (not a crime) when first playing.

What I'd like to do is to have a discussion about what POG wants with these players. I'm willing to accept anything ranging from nothing to permaban so it's wide open at this point. I'm not willing to let this thread turn into a personal attack festival or dick waving contest. This thread will be moderated harshly if punishments will be severe so please keep it civil.

I'd like to hear from any game mods who have experiences with these players (good or bad) and I will edit those into the OP as well. This "evidence" will be used by POG to determine the players fate. At this time, I don't want to hear from other participants in games about these players, just game mods to get an impartial opinion.

I'll leave this thread open until a clear consensus is reached or until it is no longer useful / gets out of control.

Effected games:

WORLD SERIES OF WEREWOLF™ GAME THREAD - GAME 1.A - Disappeared at crucial f5 point

Mod of this game:
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WSoWW is the only one I can speak about and given that it wasn't a model WW game to begin with I can understand why he might not have taken it especially seriously.

The facts are he lived to F5 and vanished at that point. I PM'd him and got no response, and he did not PM me before he vanished. The F5 had 4 villagers and 1 wolf. A villager was lynched, leaving me with an F4 consisting of Crossnerd (v), magic_numbers (v - awol), tappokone (v) and Eurotrash (w).

There is not a rule in the WSoWW saying that failure to post is a modkill. There is one that failure to post a minimum of five times requires an immediate substitute, and the perpetrator is banned from the next "week" of WSoWW games.

Unfortunately, that rule does not solve this problem. Subbing a "brand new" player out at F4 is horrendous and clearing. Failing to post at F5 is itself hugely clearing (because villagers have to ponder whether you're a supreme jerk, because you're "brand new" conclude that you're probably not, and therefore you cannot be lynched).

There was no rule set up for that eventuality because it never ever happens.

In order to try to salvage the spirit of the WSoWW I basically commanded Euro to NK magic_numbers so that we could at least trust that we'd have a full F3. I informed him that no matter the result the wolves would receive a win in the STAT$. I let F3 play out and Crossnerd and tappo got it right. I informed them, after some tilt, that though the wolves won the game, both of them would likewise be compensated in the STAT$.

It was an impossible situation for a mod.

The kicker was when magic did come back, basically ASAP, the explanation was that something had come up. I PM'd him back that I completely understood that - the same had happened to me while modding that game. I also explained that he would not be allowed to play in the next three (3) WSoWW games. I pondered lessening that.

His response was that he had little or no impact on the game and that it was unfair to punish him for something that I did as well. There's some merit to the position. However, my absence cannot break the mechanics of the game, and his did. Moreover it's not that he had an emergency, it's that he didn't decide to let me know he wouldn't be posting at a crucial stage of the game.

In a vacuum I would wish it hadn't happened. Here, since he should obviously know better, the revelation that magic is the one who did that - this is a guy I've previously defended (some) - really burns me.

Burn Notice Game - Conceded in thread as a wolf ; stranded team

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Old 07-12-2012, 12:07 AM   #2
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

its a witch!

BURRRNNN HIM!

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Old 07-12-2012, 12:07 AM   #3
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zomg!
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:08 AM   #4
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:08 AM   #5
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

of course it was lol
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:08 AM   #6
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

VINDICATEDDDDDDDD!!!! I KNEW IT!! I TOLD YOU GYUS!!!!
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:08 AM   #7
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

What game(s) has 742617000027 played in? I know he's currently in the random day length game that starts tomorrow, but I wasn't aware of previous games he's played.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:08 AM   #8
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

so its confirmed magic gazz
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:09 AM   #9
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

BAN HIM
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:09 AM   #10
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

DOES HE FLOAT
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:09 AM   #11
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

Quote:
Both players also claim to be new players (not a crime) when first playing.
i disagree. maybe not a felony, but a misdemeanor at least
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:09 AM   #12
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

Here for the dick waving contest.

I've been known to be a wild waver in my day.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:09 AM   #13
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

Oh, in case it wasn't obvious. BAN
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:09 AM   #15
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

is 742 an ip address or a screenname

or am i stupid

or both
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:09 AM   #16
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:10 AM   #17
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

i will vouch against gazz but never the other poster. gazz was a nut low all the time
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:10 AM   #18
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

Magic is not a new player by any stretch of the imagination, he's been here for months and played in many many games.

His attitude and what he did to the wsoww game is ****ing inexcusable and getting out of being punished WHILE I WAS INFRACTED bc he claimed to be a first time player is ****IGN INEXCUSABLE.

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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

i feel so privileged to be in on the first page of a 5 star thread.
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

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What game(s) has 742617000027 played in? I know he's currently in the random day length game that starts tomorrow, but I wasn't aware of previous games he's played.
Just so it's out in the open - I've asked HiFi to sub him out.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:10 AM   #21
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Re: WW Court Version 1 - The Pretrial

Death penalty.
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:10 AM   #22
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yesssss, sweet beautiful JUSTICE

yessssssssssssssss
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:11 AM   #23
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Don't ban him magic/number guy are awesome, you shouldn't do anything to either of them.

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Old 07-12-2012, 12:11 AM   #24
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i disagree. maybe not a felony, but a misdemeanor at least
What would you have the rule on gimmicks be?
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Old 07-12-2012, 12:11 AM   #25
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oh yeah!!!

he's supposed to be serving a suspension.

he played using a gimmick to dodge it.

this merits a permaban imo
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