This post is 100% spot on.

And why am I defending him, Variance? I don't like pile-ons. I don't like lynch mobs. I tend to take the side of the underdog when everyone's going after them and I can't quite see why it's warranted. Call me kooky.

GOD DAMN

Do you seriously not understand the difference between in game and out of game? What is wrong with you?

this is true

TOLD YOU SO WELLNAMED

I had this argument with atak once too

god i feel better than i have in a week

I'm not. It was completely out of line and he shouldn't have done it.

But Aksdal saying that by doing so he made his team forego a mislynch is simply not the whole story.

You don't like gimmicks, I get it.

You've made your point about that and it's really not relevant to the issue at hand.

What is the issue at hand is that putting the numbers account in with magic's transgressions - does that make his "body of work" bad enough to warrant a punishment?

i wouldnt have reacted to anybody else like this

magic gazz is going to keep ruining games

read his posts from any post game that he messed up

he has a complete screw u attitude. he will take the punishment and continue to do what he wants

I agree with all of this. I think it's somehow reached this boiling point because a number of people share soah's belief that magic_gazz has no redeeming qualities or that he's consistently reacted poorly to people telling him about his mistakes and whatever. I partly don't want to give him a POG/2+2 ban because I don't feel comfortable letting personal feelings guide such a decision (and there doesn't seem to be a clear majority of people who actively dislikes him either to this point as shown in the thread) and partly because I want to see his reaction / defense before any final decision is made.

I think it is natural for some people to stick up for the underdog, but you are wrong, and it is alright to be wrong.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...13&postcount=5

Yes but this means nothing and is results-oriented.

AS WAS Krayz's comment about f3, yes.

The point is, he quit, without discussing with his team or pming me about a sub.

I think I am making every effort to be fair here, and I have pointed out that some of the villagers were practically begging the wolves to quit and that he didn't out the rest of the team but arguing that he unintentionallly helped the wolves is irrelevant and special pleading.

Everybody has redeeming qualities fwiw

read the next line down, silly

And secondly, Hoya's wsoww game expressly said in the rules that you must post at least once a day. It was A RULE OF THE GAME. He broke it, and it broke the game. Its as simple as that. Felix, stop being a ****nig bleeding heart and look at the facts. Same to Gadarene. Just bc you feel like you've been bullied doesn't mean you have to defend every pile on. This one is entirely justified and you're just being a baby.

if you ban him from POG you break POG survivor. if you break POG survivor after i have spent 2+ months playing and sweating over it my permaban might follow shortly thereafter.

the issue at hand is that based on your rules hes allowed to be a gimmick abd pretend to be a noob
if he did something as numbers that woujld get magic suspended again, then suspend

but circumventing with a gimmick and lying about it to get lesser punishment is just bad ettiquette

VR, I totally agree with all of this and did not mean in any way to suggest that magic conceding in-thread in Burn Notice was justified or at all a net positive.

And Crossnerd is going to continue insulting, attacking, and generally trolling anyone who annoys her. That's not a very nice attitude either. Are we banning her now too?

Don't forget that in addition to claiming wolf so he could quit in hp he went ahead and took extra ita shots because he didn't ****ing care and there are no consequences to anything in this forum

Get the **** out of here mets. You have a personal agenda against gimmickis. You're intentionally failing to separate in-game gimmicks and out of game gimmicks.

Magic Gazz manipulated mods OUTSIDE OF A GAME. That is not covered under the gimmick rule, you clown. STOP IT.

WHY WSOWW WAS BROKEN ALREADY (Cliffs on the whole game as well)
1)The thread was supposed to open at 9. It may have opened at 9 once, the rest of the days it opened at 10-1 or 2 iirc and that was on the days it even opened. The mod was gone for an EOD and a full day after that, on that full day the thread wasn't open.
2)Due to the mod being gone for EOD TL handled the lynch but lynched the wrong person (which was kind of my fault but wouldn't have been if the mod was there or clarified it) due to another player going over the post restriction because of posting vote counts, which usually don't count against someones posts so I assumed it didn't this game either because it wasn't established in the OP, I sent in that to TL and that is how the wrong player got killed. The mod then came back and modkilled the person who was supposed to be lynched.
3) On one of the days that the mod opened the thread late. He opened it but it was still night. A player posted, thinking it was day and got mod killed.
4) The stuff with magic not posting happens and he gets mod killed.
5) The mod then decides to have a fake F3 even though the wolf already won. This involves Cross/tappok/Euro (the wolf). Cross/tappok correctly lynch Euro only to find out that euro had already won.
6) Cross and magic then proceed to endlessly T-Dome and scream at each other, which is why she is so mad now.

This is it I think, this is all from memory so some of the details might be slightly off but this is the gist of it.

Ok I think I am up to speed now. As dictator of POG I would institute a two month ban, possibly less but definitely not more. But I'm not the dictator.

looool

just because you've been bullied doesn't mean you have to be a baby

well played

I think you'd agree that it would make the most sense to judge his actions based on his intentions. If you honestly believe that he outted himself as a means of helping his team get mislynches further down the road, then I guess you can keep arguing that point.

Yeah this obv.

she does a lot of good for the community

mods games extremely smoothly

she gets upset by people who break rules and give off an f u attitude