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05-25-2012 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by domer2
I don't agree that the logic is all over the place...I read SIU as wolf. I vote for him. Macavoy shows up with a wolf entrance. I vote for him. I then start to unravel the wolf communication (assuming that these are both wolves). If SIU isn't a wolf, well then it was a dead end that I was pursuing, but I'm pretty sure he is at this point.

The biggest evidence so far is SIU's wolf list where he lists mcavoy. Who was pushing mcavoy? Me. So he both believes my case but also thinks I am a wolf. This is a contradiction Kaze. It's also the second piece of data that points to mcavoy/SIU being w/w together.

My casing so far has been logical and penetrative.
This is assuming the wolves are on level 1 thinking, though.
05-25-2012 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Swiitch
This is true, but in a vacuum, you should probably think that 2 people who interpret the same post in the same way as on the same team, don't you think?
Generally speaking yes, but people interpreting posts the same way does not always mean that they are affiliated, again that would make WW way too easy because once we found 1 wolf it would make it incredibly easy to determine teammates. I like to focus on the overall body of work to determine whether or not they are wolves and you are way too focused on this right now and are seemingly remaining oblivious to anything else at the moment and this is causing me to do the same which isn't good.

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Originally Posted by 742617000027
Steve, what do you think of LaRue and his "timing" tell. What do you make of the fact that he was pushing me and Euro as wolves but not voting until I voted him? Your thoughts on this subject could be important later for more information.
I think it's somewhat valid in that a lot of people tend to post less (especially early on) when they wolf. Also, voting someone for not posting is standard so I don't know what you're trying to get at. I think a lot of people "spite" vote so I don't think that is very indicative, in fact I think that villagers tend to do that more because they know that they are villagers and wonder why people are pushing them. I'd be lying if I didn't say that I'm not tempted to vote Swiitch right now because of where his current vote is.
05-25-2012 , 03:32 PM
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05-25-2012 , 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by kope
kaze13
I don't like this vote. Based on a quick reread, Kope has said nothing about Kaze prior to it. He makes a post about not wanting a Domer lynch and immediately afterwards drops a lonely vote without any effort to build a wagon.

Kope, please explain. What do you find wolfy about Kaze? What are you hoping to accomplish?
05-25-2012 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 742617000027
Why do you expect to die so early, especially in a game where the wolves finding the seer is very important? Are people here afraid of you?
1st - stop PR hunting.

2nd - Yes, I get strong player killed pretty darned often because I am one of the better players on the site at clearing myself and others.
05-25-2012 , 03:34 PM
I'm going to be gone fairly soon and probably won't be back until EOD
05-25-2012 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Swiitch
This is assuming that wolfchat is somewhat decently organized/has people online, which is normally isn't/doesn't.

There are only 4 wolves in this game, there is a decent chance that wolfchat could have only one person in it at a time or a newbie wolf could have no wolf backup at a certain point in the day.
all right, that's a fair point. I'm used to playing large mishmashes moastly though, so I based my assumption off that
05-25-2012 , 03:35 PM
Truth is I'm on tilt right now as my Diablo 3 account got hacked over night and all my items were stolen; so as much as I'm trying to make decent reads they probably suck right now.

Have been on hold with Blizzard customer support for over 1 hour.
05-25-2012 , 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Yzerman fan
Swiitch,

tappo gives links in his opener, I go through them and look at the games

tappo does the exact same thing every game as he did in this one AS A VILLAGER

I completely dismiss speculating on his affiliation based on that fact

La Rue comes in and immediately calls it wolfy

I find La Rue wolfy because he probably didn't even read the links and immediately finds it wolfy.

I also agree that La Rue's statement of people pre-emptively is wolfy in a vacuum but tappo has clearly shown this type of behavior as a villa.

So....

I found it wolfy of La Rue because I went and checked the links to see if his behavior was consistent or not. La Rue didn't bother to do this so that is why I can see him doing that as a wolf.

What's so hard to get here?
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Originally Posted by Steve Yzerman fan
Generally speaking yes, but people interpreting posts the same way does not always mean that they are affiliated, again that would make WW way too easy because once we found 1 wolf it would make it incredibly easy to determine teammates. I like to focus on the overall body of work to determine whether or not they are wolves and you are way too focused on this right now and are seemingly remaining oblivious to anything else at the moment and this is causing me to do the same which isn't good.



I think it's somewhat valid in that a lot of people tend to post less (especially early on) when they wolf. Also, voting someone for not posting is standard so I don't know what you're trying to get at. I think a lot of people "spite" vote so I don't think that is very indicative, in fact I think that villagers tend to do that more because they know that they are villagers and wonder why people are pushing them. I'd be lying if I didn't say that I'm not tempted to vote Swiitch right now because of where his current vote is.
So you think LaRue is wolfy, but then defend him when I ask.

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05-25-2012 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Yzerman fan
Generally speaking yes, but people interpreting posts the same way does not always mean that they are affiliated, again that would make WW way too easy because once we found 1 wolf it would make it incredibly easy to determine teammates. I like to focus on the overall body of work to determine whether or not they are wolves and you are way too focused on this right now and are seemingly remaining oblivious to anything else at the moment and this is causing me to do the same which isn't good.



I think it's somewhat valid in that a lot of people tend to post less (especially early on) when they wolf. Also, voting someone for not posting is standard so I don't know what you're trying to get at. I think a lot of people "spite" vote so I don't think that is very indicative, in fact I think that villagers tend to do that more because they know that they are villagers and wonder why people are pushing them. I'd be lying if I didn't say that I'm not tempted to vote Swiitch right now because of where his current vote is.
I focus on things very hard in this game. I am not oblivious to other information, I take it all in, but I often look at one player very hard, make a judgement and move on. Right now, i am looking at you very hard. it doesn't mean I'm not trying to form reads on other players, I just haven't gotten as solid of a read on you as I would like.

I have you as wolfy enough for a vote right now, but I could be persuaded to change my vote if I see someone else who is more deserving of it.
05-25-2012 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Swiitch
1st - stop PR hunting.

2nd - Yes, I get strong player killed pretty darned often because I am one of the better players on the site at clearing myself and others.
If you can point out where I was PR hunting, I will vote for myself. At no point did I imply anyone was the seer, I just mentioned that its important for the wolves to find them. Perhaps you have a different idea of what hunting is than I do, but to me hunting does not classify as what I did and I dont see what reason you could have for saying it.
05-25-2012 , 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Eurotrash
all right, that's a fair point. I'm used to playing large mishmashes moastly though, so I based my assumption off that
Agree. in a large mishmash there is almost always at least a few wolves in wolfchat.
05-25-2012 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by LaRue05
Truth is I'm on tilt right now as my Diablo 3 account got hacked over night and all my items were stolen; so as much as I'm trying to make decent reads they probably suck right now.

Have been on hold with Blizzard customer support for over 1 hour.
Wolf making non game related excuses.
05-25-2012 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 742617000027
If you can point out where I was PR hunting, I will vote for myself. At no point did I imply anyone was the seer, I just mentioned that its important for the wolves to find them. Perhaps you have a different idea of what hunting is than I do, but to me hunting does not classify as what I did and I dont see what reason you could have for saying it.
It looked to me like you were trying to get me to say I am the seer, which is the reason I expect to be killed n1.

I might be the seer and I might not be the seer.

I still fully expect to be killed n1.
05-25-2012 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Swiitch
It looked to me like you were trying to get me to say I am the seer, which is the reason I expect to be killed n1.

I might be the seer and I might not be the seer.

I still fully expect to be killed n1.
See I dont think like that, the seer would not want or expect to get caught night one.
05-25-2012 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 742617000027
Wolf making non game related excuses.
You're joking, right?
05-25-2012 , 03:44 PM
So anyway, lets talk about the fact that Steve thinks LaRue is a wolf 1 page ago and on this page defend him. 1 or both of them are wolves for sure.
05-25-2012 , 03:45 PM
Wow, this is so frustrating. I must be having trouble communicating **** here or something. I'm sorry I'm not being clear but hopefully this will make sense or else read the earlier post I made to swiitch

1. I think La Rue can be a wolf but am not very confident, I thought his early post about tappo was wolfy but I think that it is villagery for people wanting others to contribute so I don't think the particular posts you were referring to were that wolfy.

2. I still don't see how people are so dismissive of the fact that it is more likely for a wolf to pounce on someone early rather waiting to make a more informed decision. It seemed as though La Rue was very confident in his tapo read to begin with which I found odd.

Also, if I'm the seer I peeked kope

Alright, now I'm gone for real. Hopefully I will be around for EOD but it is highly unlikely
05-25-2012 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 742617000027
See I dont think like that, the seer would not want or expect to get caught night one.
I don't want to get 'caught' n1, I just get 'caught' because of the '**** it, let's just kill swiitch' stuff that wolves probably say.

For them, if I'm seer, then great, they kill me and get the seer, it's a like bonus. If I'm not the seer, they still get rid of me.
05-25-2012 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Swiitch
You're joking, right?
About him being a wolf or about his excuses being non game related? The answer is no to both. He has tried pushing me on the possibly the worst case ever and now he see's that it wont stick he is making excuses for his bad reads. Is that not something that wolves do, because I think it is.
05-25-2012 , 03:46 PM
Ok so this is most of the interaction here.

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Originally Posted by domer2
alright im a villager

slight wolf lean on tappokone for his first post, far too planned out for my liking. he is taking the game super serious so far...a bit too serious. i'll read his prior games before making any sort of definitive read.

wolf lean on shipitup, who is very calculated with his posts so far and not at all free flowing. his sentences are all parsed perfectly.

village lean on Larue and SYF

getting back to SIU, read this post again:



Now this is a sponge first of all, its a soft push second of all....but I think its also potentially shroop where he had something like "it was weird for me too" and then was editing it around to get it perfect and ended up with that.

Even taking out the shroop (a bit of a mythical beast), that post reads like a wolf early game observation.

SIU
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Originally Posted by Steve Yzerman fan
Based on previous experience, I have a hard time believing that SIU is a wolf
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Originally Posted by McAvoy
What exactly has he done that puts him out of his wolf range?
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Originally Posted by domer2
SYF is so villagery it isn't even funny. SYF you might as well be seer cleared for me right now I feel so strongly in that read (not a peek).



macavoy = w

this is such a wolf opening. such a wolf opening. he also spews two different people here.

shipitup is w based off this post
syf is v based off this post

macavoy
After re-reading I follow your argument, however it seems like a LOT to base off of one post by McAvoy. Is that not a very valid question by McAvoy? I read it as saying don't clear SIU this early. There hasn't been enough to clear anyone yet.

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Originally Posted by ShipItUp
Why on Earth would he try and change the mind of the only person who thinks I'm villagery if we were w/w? Keep in mind that when me and Mac were w/w before he didn't draw any doubt on me AT ALL. In fact, he was my biggest supporter, so your entire case for this is completely wrong.
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Originally Posted by domer2
Because you've got 2 votes already and are a weak link in the chain. Why is Macavoy making that post as his first post? Why? Makes no sense.

And also...using past game meta to argue against a hard read is just desperation. You already know Mac will flip wolf, don't you?
At this time SIU had been getting a good amount of heat and brings up a great point. Why would a fellow wolf try and change the mind of someone who thinks SIU is a villager? If McAvoy is a wolf and SIU is a wolf do you really think McAvoy would bus him a few hours into day 1?

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Originally Posted by ShipItUp
Mac knows I'm a good wolf so if your saying he is bussing me already because he thinks I'm weak then your continuing to amaze me with your awful reads. And no I don't know he'll flip wolf, please stop being so bad.
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Originally Posted by domer2
I don't agree that the logic is all over the place...I read SIU as wolf. I vote for him. Macavoy shows up with a wolf entrance. I vote for him. I then start to unravel the wolf communication (assuming that these are both wolves). If SIU isn't a wolf, well then it was a dead end that I was pursuing, but I'm pretty sure he is at this point.

The biggest evidence so far is SIU's wolf list where he lists mcavoy. Who was pushing mcavoy? Me. So he both believes my case but also thinks I am a wolf. This is a contradiction Kaze. It's also the second piece of data that points to mcavoy/SIU being w/w together.

My casing so far has been logical and penetrative.
I just feel like this whole case was made while grasping at straws. I know we don't have anything other than straws to grasp at on day 1, but this is like a web and it's all built on one post by McAvoy. I agree though that it was strange McAvoy would open with that post. I'm moving you back to neutral on my list for the time being as I now follow this, but I do not necessarily agree with it. I just don't think they would interact w/w like that and that McAvoy would bus a fellow wolf this early into the game. I still think it's quite possible that either one of them could be a wolf and now I want to do a re-read of McAvoy.
05-25-2012 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Yzerman fan
Wow, this is so frustrating. I must be having trouble communicating **** here or something. I'm sorry I'm not being clear but hopefully this will make sense or else read the earlier post I made to swiitch

1. I think La Rue can be a wolf but am not very confident, I thought his early post about tappo was wolfy but I think that it is villagery for people wanting others to contribute so I don't think the particular posts you were referring to were that wolfy.

2. I still don't see how people are so dismissive of the fact that it is more likely for a wolf to pounce on someone early rather waiting to make a more informed decision. It seemed as though La Rue was very confident in his tapo read to begin with which I found odd.

Also, if I'm the seer I peeked kope

Alright, now I'm gone for real. Hopefully I will be around for EOD but it is highly unlikely
I wasn't dismissing it, I found it odd that you were seemingly dismissing the possibility that it could be a villager jumping on a wolfy post, rather then a wolf jumping on a wolfy post.
05-25-2012 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Swiitch
I don't want to get 'caught' n1, I just get 'caught' because of the '**** it, let's just kill swiitch' stuff that wolves probably say.

For them, if I'm seer, then great, they kill me and get the seer, it's a like bonus. If I'm not the seer, they still get rid of me.
Ok so you must be very good if killing you is so important. When it is near end of day I would ask you to post a current reads list to give others something to work on tomorrow if you are not arround.
05-25-2012 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Yzerman fan
Wow, this is so frustrating. I must be having trouble communicating **** here or something. I'm sorry I'm not being clear but hopefully this will make sense or else read the earlier post I made to swiitch

1. I think La Rue can be a wolf but am not very confident, I thought his early post about tappo was wolfy but I think that it is villagery for people wanting others to contribute so I don't think the particular posts you were referring to were that wolfy.

2. I still don't see how people are so dismissive of the fact that it is more likely for a wolf to pounce on someone early rather waiting to make a more informed decision. It seemed as though La Rue was very confident in his tapo read to begin with which I found odd.

Also, if I'm the seer I peeked kope

Alright, now I'm gone for real. Hopefully I will be around for EOD but it is highly unlikely
This still doesnt clear up why you defend LaRue when I asked you about him. Is it standard for you to defend your wolf reads?
05-25-2012 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by LaRue05
Good morning everyone, I'm here now; working from home today and playing Diablo 3.

Wolf lean on tappokone since he came out firing all this defensive info to prove himself a villager, in the very first post, even though no one was tunneling him. Odd.

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Originally Posted by Steve Yzerman fan

2. I still don't see how people are so dismissive of the fact that it is more likely for a wolf to pounce on someone early rather waiting to make a more informed decision. It seemed as though La Rue was very confident in his tapo read to begin with which I found odd.
I state that I have wolf lean on tappokone due to his opening post. A wolf lean is not a very confident read, and then not even 30min later I moved him to neutral. HOW IS ANY OF THAT A CONFIDENT READ.

Steve you just like spewing BS lies don't you.

      
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