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09-12-2024 , 12:46 PM
Yeah it's 3, no idea how that was a 16k question in the real TV show lol

£32,000 question:

Who played the title role in the classic western 'Shane'?

A) Richard Wildmark
B) Alan Ladd
C) Audie Murphy
D) Randolph Scott
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09-12-2024 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Doctor Zeus
It all depends if the question is pre or post pluto being de-planetised
yup
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09-12-2024 , 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by POGcrazy94
Yeah it's 3, no idea how that was a 16k question in the real TV show lol

£32,000 question:

Who played the title role in the classic western 'Shane'?

A) Richard Wildmark
B) Alan Ladd
C) Audie Murphy
D) Randolph Scott
B) Alan Ladd
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09-12-2024 , 05:41 PM
Yep! Is it a good film? My dad loves Westerns although he's probably already seen it if it's a classic

£64,000 question:

What does the letter 'R' stand for in the abbreviation CRE, the name of a commission?

A) Royal
B) Regional
C) Racial
D) Retail
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09-12-2024 , 06:18 PM
This looks suspiciously like a British thing.
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09-12-2024 , 06:31 PM
Okay, phone a friend: Doctor Zeus.
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09-12-2024 , 07:01 PM
Shane was great for it's time. imo it holds up ok. it's notable that it was the first film to use really loud(realistic) sound for gunshots.

Jack palance was great in it
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09-12-2024 , 07:06 PM
yeah but for the life of me i wouldn't be able to name the actor

this feels like a set of questions designed for british grandparents
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09-13-2024 , 02:16 AM
Sorry Eric ive got no idea

My gut says royal because thats normally what abbreviations include

A commission implies a regulatory body- which i think will remove retail

Racial looks a bit weird in there so might be a gotcha/the right answer by weirdness?

Regional also looks possible- centre for regional equality might have been the precursor to the northern powerhouse? I vaguely remember that term

Tbh. Id maybe pass or 5050?
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09-13-2024 , 04:05 AM
Okay, I'll take the 50/50
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09-13-2024 , 07:25 AM
C) Racial
D) Retail
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09-13-2024 , 12:48 PM
I figured Royal was not likely because it would be RCE. I figured Retail was possible, but less likely than the others. So....

I think it's the Commission for Racial Equality.
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09-13-2024 , 04:35 PM
It is indeed!

£125,000 question:

In which modern country are the ruins of Troy?

A) Morocco
B) India
C) Turkey
D) Ethiopia
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09-13-2024 , 04:52 PM
it feels like these questions are in the opposite order but that speaks more to my esoteric knowledge and lack of pop culture understanding than the quality of the questions
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09-13-2024 , 04:57 PM
LOL the question writers are drunk. 125k for this?
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09-13-2024 , 07:35 PM
Did I actually guess the right name of the commission, or just the racial part?

As to the current question, that would be C), although the current name/spelling is Türkiye.

I would love to go there, in part to see the ruins of Troy.
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09-13-2024 , 07:37 PM
Well, I blew my load early on with respect to lifelines.

I'm going to need a good dose of luck to catch the others.
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09-13-2024 , 07:42 PM
Yeah it's the Commission for Racial Equality

£250,000 question:

Who created the original illustrations for Lewis Carroll's 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland'?

A) Gerald Scarfe
B) William Heath Robinson
C) Sir John Tenniel
D) Maurice Sendak
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09-13-2024 , 07:55 PM
now that you've answered it, i want to pedant away

that question deeply bothers me for two reasons

Spoiler:
because even if someone forgot it all the odyssey/iliad and greek mythology that we read in school two of the answers are basic geographical impossibilities which leaves it a 50/50 at best and one is right across a narrow sea whereas another is on the opposite side of europe so most people could just guess it correctly for that reason


but, the part that really bothers me is there's literally zero evidence supporting that site is actually troy

troy does not exist in the archaeological world, in fact it's not even mentioned in greek or roman history - it's mentioned, but never as a real and physical place - those people adored the classics and would have regularly mentioned troy whenever relevant - you see that a lot with a lot of romans who were obsessed with ancient greece and made sure to visit all the important places, they never visit troy

ie there's no maps that say troy on it anywhere to be found

what happened was in the 1800s when a classical education was all the rage, westerners (mostly english) decided they wanted to find troy so they literally used the book as a guide - ie in the illiad there's a river and the river floes into the ocean so it's near the ocean and just off the shore is an island in the ocean where the gods would watch and observe the conflict - so this place where the gods were became used as a proxy

aside from treating a work which has gods and superheroes as main characters as a work of historical non-fiction (lol) any attempts to find the coastline as described in the books would be foolhardy since over that length of time the shoreline would have changed dramatically - so many ruins are now submerged or former coastal cities are now quite a bit inland etc etc

but they went ahead anyway, they began digging and lo and behold if you dig pretty much anywhere in the general region of where a river would have been in the ancient eastern eediterranean then you're to come across ruins galore

upon finding ruins that were sufficiently old to pass the sniff test, it was declared that troy had been found

in the ensuing years, we've since changed our mind and the current accepted version of troy is the 3rd one we've called troy

mind you, there's not a single shred of any evidence confirming it to be troy, it's just a settlement which, is plausibly old enough and in the general area of the world where it could be troy and that's if troy actually ever existed, something we're not even sure about

importantly, the site we chose as troy remained a settlement through the greek and roman period - yet they never once referenced it as troy despite talking about the idea of troy a lot - there's zero chance in my mind if it were troy or troy were real and a city of theirs that would have gone unnoticed and unspoken

so i really hate stuff like this which just assumes it is indeed troy when we truly have no evidence supporting that claim, we just really really wanted to find it so we found something that could work
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09-13-2024 , 08:09 PM
What I wouldn't give for another 50/50 here. One name jumped out at me right away, but I don't know why.
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09-13-2024 , 08:43 PM
While I think about what to do for the current question, I would like to address rickroll's thoughts.

I think the first issue is part and parcel of the nature of the questions and the order they have come in.

As to the second issue
Spoiler:
it's not quite true that there is no evidence that the generally accepted location for the ancient citadel known to us as Troy. While nothing will ever be 100% when dealing with things that old, there are many clues that Troy/Illium of the Illiad did exist and existed at the spot we think it is. It was a city of the right size, in the right place, at the right time. The walls found are consistent with the descriptions of the Illiad, including a weak area mentioned in the story. It was destroyed, probably after an earthquake brought down the walls, letting the Mycenaeans in. Hittite records are consistent with Mycenaean meddling in that area at that time, and refer to a city which would have been referred to as Illios in Greek. There are references to a royal person called Alexandros, which corresponds to Homer's other name for Paris; as well as descendents of Atreus (like Agamemnon and Meneleus were).

Did Homer make up most of the story? Certainly, but there is enough in the archeological and historical records to believe he/they based it on something real. The most likely place for where this happened is the place commonly held to be Troy.
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09-13-2024 , 08:57 PM
If I want to play to win, I need to guess regardless of odds.
If I can bring everything down to a 50% guess, it's +EV to keep going.
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09-13-2024 , 09:00 PM
F it. C) Sir John Tenniel.
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09-13-2024 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric
While I think about what to do for the current question, I would like to address rickroll's thoughts.

I think the first issue is part and parcel of the nature of the questions and the order they have come in.

As to the second issue
Spoiler:
it's not quite true that there is no evidence that the generally accepted location for the ancient citadel known to us as Troy. While nothing will ever be 100% when dealing with things that old, there are many clues that Troy/Illium of the Illiad did exist and existed at the spot we think it is. It was a city of the right size, in the right place, at the right time. The walls found are consistent with the descriptions of the Illiad, including a weak area mentioned in the story. It was destroyed, probably after an earthquake brought down the walls, letting the Mycenaeans in. Hittite records are consistent with Mycenaean meddling in that area at that time, and refer to a city which would have been referred to as Illios in Greek. There are references to a royal person called Alexandros, which corresponds to Homer's other name for Paris; as well as descendents of Atreus (like Agamemnon and Meneleus were).

Did Homer make up most of the story? Certainly, but there is enough in the archeological and historical records to believe he/they based it on something real. The most likely place for where this happened is the place commonly held to be Troy.
appreciate your response, but it's all circumstantial - it's not "we have evidence this is troy" but rather "we have no evidence proving it's not troy"

goes to the spaghetti space monster fallacy where anything can exist when the burden of proof is upon proving a negative - this is also why we've "found" troy 3 different times - each time we were content with the site and then later we found another site which fit better - would not surprise me in the slightest if another stronger contender is found again in our lifetime when turkey decides to build some shopping mall somewhere


smoking gun for me is greeks and romans were obsessed with that stuff - reading their contemporary works there's constant references to going on pilgrimages to various locations etc etc and troy is not once mentioned despite that the site we call troy was a settled city during that time - it only went into ruins permanently after the roman collapse

if that were troy they would have known
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09-13-2024 , 10:17 PM
What the hell is this? For crying out loud, somebody throw a pie!
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