Yeah, personally I am not playing in any kind of slow game but I bet slow vanilla+ games could become popular in here. Don't think so about mashes.

more thinking about the pool of people who like to play slow games

I would like to bring the mishmash experience to them without the spam, but with the midday mechanics (analogue to ITAs but at night)

All the answers to "things to do in the middle of the day" (i.e. at normal night) fail the cool test and/or fail the "why not just call night?" test.

but yeah, not catering to the mishmash base here, though i would like to have mechanics cool enough to bring them onboard even with pre-stated post restrictions

unmemorable, since you switched up.

help me brainstorm!

i'm currently stymied by what i'll call the "false night".

I think that if "things" happen when night would usually occur on d1 it would be cool

if it's too interactive, it's bad for the slow crowd: they can't be interactive enough to fully participate

if it's not interactive and it's "send actions, things happen", it's just night with posting. (which may not be terrible depending on the game design, but I kind of instinctually think it's bad)

the "just right" is where i'm stuck

Random thoughts since the other thread is closed:

For future champions games I'd want to nominate something like shorty/jim/tappo/luckay/aksdal

There are some others I'd support if they were nominated but I don't know enough to advocate them myself, and probably some other worthwhile candidates that I'm just not familiar with. tappo is already kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as my familiarity goes -- I've only played a few games with him but I like how he approaches the game and he crushed one as a villager while putting out a strong wolf performance in another.

If the game is hosted here, Luckay could potentially bring in some new players for us. He has a huge following. When he played in the live mafia for the first time, he brought in 1000 additional viewers. And the first champions game brought a lot of lurkers as well. The decision of Luckay vs others seems pretty close just on skill terms, so I see this as sort of a tiebreaker consideration.

how bout this.

On the non-lynch "night", there is a quasi-ITA. It's like every voter has a gun, but only one of them will fire. Everyone votes like usual and you use the vote counter to see who they intend to shoot. You rand all the players who voted and kill the target of the person who wins the vig. You do the reveal and reopen the thread asap. People carry on until the real night when you lynch like normal.

why this might be fun:

1. the whole day before the "ITA", everyone's vote really matters, as it gives the target a chance of dying. mucho butthurt and effot in trying to organize wagons. with every vote, the game state changes in a perceivable way and thus generates excitement throughout the day.

2. wolves (and villagers to some extent) will use afk strategically to try to leave their vote on convenient targets. knowing this, the village will react and punish afk accordingly, keeping the pace of the game up.

3. the killrate wrt #players alive is slow at first, then increases. this gives more people a chance to play early while not having the game bog down in a vanilla-like tedium toward mid-late game.

4. this puts a lot of pressure on wolves re: spew and bussing. makes for a very skillful game.

note: it shouldn't be done past f9 or so imo as 1. it becomes too powerful for wolves, and 2. a bunch of outed/otherwise conceding wolves voting as a bloc to try to win the rand is AIDS.

I like this list

moocher would also be a good choice

yeah i agree, good list

id love to see lukcay own some fools, always been one of my favorites to play with

Can I still spam in turbos? Plz say yes

You got to sign up for them first

Final wolf power rankings:

Player	Wolf Games	Survival Ranking	Mislynch Ranking	Seer Hunt Ranking	Combined Ranking
HerbieGRD	9	0.802777779197	1.023873	0.2222	1.5284484837213020
CPHoya	14	0.725595240000	0.976914	0.2143	1.4084285661314015
ZomgHax	8	0.661458331250	1.038636	0.1250	1.3439621086535541
Hitch	9	0.616666666050	1.001167	0.5556	1.3390174414728850
soah	17	0.634372979299	0.954248	0.4118	1.3154804891187098
well named	27	0.605246914580	0.954083	0.3704	1.2724961153766863
norseman1066	12	0.630822647500	0.945199	0.1667	1.2674860069529654
atakdog	12	0.612152778388	0.993182	0.1667	1.2673282477993680
OnThInIcE911	19	0.593085651740	0.975397	0.3158	1.2588747521499213
Montecore	11	0.571969694699	1.002703	0.3636	1.2533717066311684
McAvoy	23	0.573272020430	0.963510	0.3043	1.2266403551523761
VoraciousReader	9	0.603917381618	0.944263	0.1111	1.2246313593928904
HiFi	10	0.542499999000	0.986472	0.4000	1.2146666962573374
CalledDownLight	9	0.574074071648	0.988270	0.1111	1.2086410244951930
metsandfinsfan	22	0.540528219102	0.957341	0.4091	1.1996414167031236
dmk	13	0.549950686774	0.968788	0.2308	1.1883577091231370
Nicholasp27	12	0.538903457500	1.013433	0.1667	1.1858322710320472
chuckleslovakian	8	0.481497671250	0.997252	0.6250	1.1798670031504494
chrisrjdk	9	0.509259259491	1.017679	0.3333	1.1776158409321459
Telcontar	11	0.529545453722	0.887538	0.4545	1.1596299953122474
Nez477	9	0.503902112829	1.013296	0.2222	1.1510548662185000
Titanrulez	13	0.499358976073	0.969726	0.3846	1.1504040768187921
PlzBeALevel	8	0.545833331250	0.937605	0.0000	1.1312944272653923
wahoopride	8	0.501609850000	0.920654	0.2500	1.1080461337225710
LuckayLuck	23	0.483333331286	0.977884	0.2174	1.1076126220779459
TimeLady	9	0.479629628409	0.974673	0.2222	1.1022263376309535
VarianceMinefield	11	0.499242420881	0.924519	0.1818	1.0960486986770132
captain binkles	14	0.480952379550	0.910853	0.3571	1.0947381345797571
ElliotR	10	0.458522730000	1.011634	0.2000	1.0901712798843291
Anarchist	18	0.474537035081	0.921638	0.2778	1.0792401236483458
JimHalpert	10	0.484166665000	0.880952	0.2000	1.0592051938172973
Sun Tzu	29	0.470402300483	0.910096	0.2069	1.0571926109730504
Systolic	9	0.430555555125	0.951961	0.2222	1.0301622322024359
sixfour	10	0.400769227000	0.964035	0.2000	0.9953151770946853
bsball8806	20	0.400719696000	0.949640	0.2000	0.9883235196825204
FCBLComish	9	0.372025815184	0.990949	0.2222	0.9760222217017038
XXsooted	15	0.372777781000	0.952468	0.2667	0.9655450521497709
UAW710	9	0.386243382947	0.907505	0.2222	0.9535627747960832
Nofear3838	9	0.351851850000	0.863834	0.2222	0.8896988110834035
gtpitch	8	0.343750000000	0.899099	0.0000	0.8610275421976318

The final rankings are a combination of the previous 3, all divided by their highest ranking and then added with the mislynch ranking getting a .25 (acknowledging most lynches aren't in the single wolf's control) and the seer hunt ranking getting a .1 (probably a bad stat with a lot less sample size, as well as a lot more variables being included such as FPS plays and other stuff out of the wolf's control). Other methods can be used but these are the ones that I chose before looking at the results.

In

so im a better wolf than binkles?

sweet

The stats don't capture everything and my methodology may not be sound, so take all rankings with a very, very large bucket of salt

krayz, is that for every wolf who has over a certain amount of games or top x?

http://checkmywwstats.com/index.php?...Power+Rankings

And here's a website where you can do your own filtering/sorting

EDIT: VMf, every wolf with more than 7 games - go to the URL for more.

wb krayz

rig some stats to make me look elite plz

time for you to do villager stats right?

i found VMF at :51

yup, haven't really thought about it. Lynching wolves is obviously the most important. Second would be dying at night before the seer (Though putting a strong importance on this is interesting - are people good at this because people think they are good? But then the fact people think they are good makes them better!). Third would be not getting lynched. Could have a majority lynch ranking too.

I'm not sure of the relative importance of these or if there are more, I'm just brainstorming. It's a lot more nebulous than the wolf rankings.

don't ignore me krayz

this is kruze time to own this thread

currently rogging as we speak

I might add post differential at some point for the combined wolf and villager rankings too!

add something on the database page that gives me the credit for all the work