This is disingenuous. Both your examples refer to in-game death, not the death of an actual player. No one in their right mind would modkill anyone for these posts.

UD didn't like it, just because he utterly hates conversions

To me, I see no difference between
I'm not a wolf
I swear I'm not a wolf
I swear to raptor jesus christ I'm not a wolf
If I'm a wolf I'll jump off a bridge
If I'm a wolf I'll jump off the Empire State building

As a villager, I don't think these statements change the likelihood of someone being a wolf by anything. Wolves lie, that's what they are supposed to do. So as a mod I'm fine with them. I don't like them very much and if someone states such things I might send them a friendly reminder that these statements don't belong in a ww game, but that's basically it. I don't want to compromise my games with modkills unless it compensates for the annoyance the offending player brings to the game.

Maybe the bridge is the local bridge everybody jumps off into the water when it's hot or you like to wingsuit down from the Empire State building. I don't know. I don't care.

Stuff like: I kill myself or you start swearing on the lives or graves of live or dead family members, is on the wrong side of the line any mod can draw, so also mine.

Furthermore, when I mod I don't read the entire thread. So if someone steps over the line I might not have seen it and I won't take action unless someone points me to a possible offending posts. Nobody reports the post? Well, people probably didn't mind it enough.

birdman has already sunk so deep as to start modkilling people who step into the lightest of gray areas, just to make sure they keep on what he has defined as white. At that moment, his modding became -EV to the game experience of the players rather than +EV.

My thoughts on the "suicide" terminology are that it is an unfortunate word to use, kind of like how some people still say "lynch", however if refers the an actual game mechanic as UD said. As long as you can distinguish between the game mechanic and references to the actual act, I don't know there is much to be done about it beyond people individually choosing to adjust their own ww lexicon to exclude such terminology.

My understanding is that the point of the rules is that no reference to these sorts of things are made so that anyone who is dealing with issues or has suffered the loss of someone as a result or suicide or has to deal with trauma as a result of sexual violence, is forced to confront those in a werewolf game.
If there is some distinction between in game death vs out-game death then ok. But it's better we talk about it now to figure out where the lines are, and my point here is that it will be something Birdman is forced to deal with in the future. Suicide metaphors are way too common.

I agree with almost everything you have posted here, but I just wanted to point out that if you don't like these posts very much, there is a reason for that. The examples you write are not modkillable per see but they enter an unpleasant gray area that I'd rather not see in my games.

So yeah, if someone reports these posts to me I am definitely firing out a warning and if that person persists, I will probably modkill them (for repeatedly ignoring instructions) but I wouldn't mk them for a single post.

Precisely. This is at least a mk (or mk+force the lynch, if I suspect someone is trying to get mk'd on purpose).

I don't think Birdman is advocating for modkilling people for a single instance of one of the posts you listed above. While I don't agree with his last MK, I can at least see where was he coming from, and I think what was truly -EV for the game was the wolves conceding.

I have no issue with people talking about the suicide mechanic, although I do think it is unfortunate word choice. I did have a physical trauma response when BATM told someone to shoot themselves in the head-- which for obvious reasons crosses the line.

You wanted to take the discussion to the LC thread so we took it here. I'm over what happened in the game.

Kind of like villager/wolf lovers?

And again, I am pretty sure that Birdman would never mk people for any of the examples you have posted. I do not think they even warrant a warning. I can see myself making exactly these very same posts without any second thoughts or regrets.

This is way different from making references to suicide in real life.

Right, and metaphors that are actually part of the game mechanic are on one side of the line, although it wouldn't hurt for mods to reconsider how they name their mechanics if they're concerned about what kind of phrasing it may bring in to the game.
Directives out of anger toward other people that are only loosely related to the game are on the other side of the line. For example,

"I'm going to suicide Luckbox because he is wolfy"
"I'm going to commit suicide, ugh this is so frustrating, i hate this game"
"Go [any method of harm] yourself you stinking wolf"

This doesn't seem complicated, you just seem to be being pedantic about it because of what happened last game.

If people want to adjust their own terminology, they can feel free to do so, but werewolf is a game that constantly refers to violence. What do wolves do at night? They nightkill someone.

I will also add, that f I'm playing a game as a villager and someone brings those kind of statements to the game to prove (s)he is a villager, I just want to lunch him/her more. If you cannot talk your way out of it by playing the game, you're not talking your way out of it.

I would definitely colour the second sentence in green since it is 100% clear people are talking about the ww mechanic.

Yes, I'm referring to how some people say "lunch" or "eliminate" instead of "lynch". Everyone understands exactly what they mean. I'm really now sure what you could really replace "suicide" with but I would probably just say "shoot", I'm not sure, I've never had that role.

When I wrote it, I wasn't, but I could see a world where someone with that ability in game says "whatever I'm tired of playing, time to suicide" or something in that vein.

Yeah, and to some people, "shoot" could also be a problem. I would like to reiterate that werewolf has references to violence that are extremely difficult to avoid. I think avoiding reference to clear, real-life acts of violence is enough. If people are bothered by the certain inherently ww-terms, that's unfortunate, but I for one do not want to alter my language for them. I think asking people to do that is not particularly reasonable.

If I'm being pedantic then it's because I have no clue where lines are. I do not think what Wiggles said was a rape joke, and it seemed harmless.
What Mets is saying here also seems harmless-- but this wasn't a mechanics thing and I have no idea if it would actually warrant a modkill or not under Birdman's rules. I apologize for quoting 'suicided' posts in games that actually had a suicide mechanic.
The Mets post would seem to be a modkill though.

Still a reference to the WW mechanic, since it is not reasonable to assume that someone is going to end their own, real, life over a game of WW.

I think I do remember when Mets said that and I think it was a bad post for him to make and if I didn't at the time I would probably PM him and ask him to find better ways to say what he means.

This is both true and incomplete. When someone is really really on the brink a game of werewolf could definitely push them over the edge.

Spoiler for triggers/unpleasantness. And no comments please, sympathetic or otherwise.

That one guy did murder someone after or during a game of werewolf.

yeah i was in that game

If you lied about the pinky swear as a wolf I would not hold it against you.

Yeah I said it. If I got mod killed for it I'd be pissed

You can say "I swear to God I'm not a wolf" but I fact ask if you p I nky swear?

I get your point. You didn't pm me but I get your point. But people always swear abs promise they aren't a wolf

Saying I am willing to suicide by cop is a modkill?