it's not a problem for someone unless they have a problem with it

I don't see how you can disagree with a tautology but have fun with that

domer your memory of this is poor, certainly the game was advertised to a group of players as a normal WW game by both PM and Skype (I received the mass PM that did this, you might recall this from the write-up) and Wetzel subsequently misled by the mod, these are facts beyond dispute, they also were not what BATM was infracted for and Wetzel's response to these facts still got him the biggest infraction in POG history

the current conversation has nothing to do with anything but you grinding an axe you enjoy grinding, please stop

this thread definitely needed some hoyaids

I was thousands of posts behind, and I received literally 5 PMs, many of them complicated. I spent an hour trying to understand the game and how to maximize our team, and failed to grasp proper strategy. The entire advantage of a wolf team is being able to orchestrate events as a team. That advantage disappears if the wolf team can't do it.

I decided that the best way for the wolves to win would be for me to sub out, because I would be spending far too much time out of the thread trying to figure out wand strategy, map strategy, potion strategy, animorph strategy, whatever else was in the game....and couldn't post the 100+ times that would be expected. The person who subbed in for me would have a better shot at winning in my opinion because they could get away with wolfing far easier. Had nothing to do with being afraid. I didn't post on purpose.

Besides that unique circumstance, I've never subbed out ever, and probably never will again.

Cool insult tho bro.

hey guys

Being drunk/stoned doesn't somehow give you a free pass to say or do things and not be responsible for them or how they affect others

This doesn't seem like a controversial statement to me

wow, that's very nice

He was contrasting drunk people to people who take the game too seriously. You're reading things that were never said or implied.

I locked the thread because right before I locked it I saw the most recent killer post, I was at one eye open status about to pass out, I knew action would need to be taken and I didn't need anyone replying to that post of his or it being escalated further while I went to sleep and at the time I felt I was the only mod online at the time.

It had absolutely nothing to do with people going at me.

RE: SABOTAGE

In the last 3 days I believe I was on a 5-6+ game winning streak in both roles. The last turbo of the night, I explained in the post game.... I found what I believed to be the seers 2 peeks, one of them being MD1616 which I believed to be peeked wolf, it was 3 AM for me and I was just hoping that the other villager would see and believe the peek I thought I had found ....for beereasons I was completely wrong about the peek and the village lost the game. For that I am truly sorry.

I have NEVER sabotaged a game intentionally, there may be some things that people could accuse me of sabotage but it is just a case of playing bad sometimes.

The above relies on invalid strategies.

1- That being behind is a valid and acceptable reason to sub out

2- That being confused with mechanics is a valid and acceptable reason to sub out

3- That being unaware of posting or time requirements is a valid and acceptable reason to sub out

4- That intentionally subbing out to replace yourself with a better player is a valid and acceptable team strategy

5- That intentionally subbing out places your replacement in a beneficial position due to their being subbed is a valid and acceptable strategy


Basically all of the above is expressly verboten in ww. Gambit's complaint is valid.

I was talking about game play

I'm basically saying "turbos gonna turbo" and that people who are turboing at 3 AM or whatever should probably not get bent out of shape when someone does something stupid and they lose because of it

I play turbos for fun and that includes trying to do the best I can but it doesn't include getting attached to the outcome with a bunch of random fools guessing and pushing buttons, etc.

in postgame, I will point out which plays I think were bad and why and suggest other strategies and then I move on to the next signup

getting upset is stupid

making things personal is worse

'k, that's fair

I took it as an extension of the "I can do what I want" philosophy which never goes over well with me

Don't disagree with that

In my experience the drunk people are the ones who don't take criticism well and make it personal, but then I don't play many turbos so wtf do I know

(Not that there aren't non drunk people who do the same)

yeah, I'm not trying to excuse anything, not even the bad play

I'm just stating my turbo philosophy which is basically an extension of my overall internet philosophy which is:

1. don't be a jerk

2. don't be surprised or get upset when other people are jerks

I bet you wouldn't ban killer if you met him in real life

hope batm comes back

Also now seems like the good time to open up the grievance thread. We ended on a cliffhanger and I want to see how the story ends

+1

any true would-be pogger would stay for the drama anyway

^Incessantness

The relentless reminders of your past tribulations, honestly, you could be used as a human torture device!

I apologize for going at you yesterday, but dear lord, its like every day you give a new example of why you're so goddamn annoying. Just stop

Redd is scum, domer is scum, everyone else is reading town. Except cory. cory has a third party win condition.

Pretty good show for my third day.

also LOL at everyone complaining about our current mods

this set has both a significantly higher group IQ than past mod groups but also is just significantly more well-meaning when it comes to POG as a whole

obv they screw up sometimes but what can you expect from an otter, a german shepherd, a 20yo cat, and a dingo??

makaze might be the seer, you guys

if you find me annoying then why mq and make a post like that? just stop

i do appreciate the apology