Im back from a full day of 'work', and a round of golf. Memo to others: The Treo cannot support this thread. Much too large.

I believe these players to be villagers:
tightplay (UK, out of touch, bad timing among a few night kills)
Mic_Check (Same)
pudley (too much work put in to be wolf)
Kramer (Seer saw.)
Zephed for being away and off-line during at least one day/night cycle.
And me. I am not a wolf, never have been, no.

That gets us down to 4 players.

Evans, keiki, ToeKnee, Piz.

None of them have offered a vote for a wolf.

All of them have bandwagoned.

Evans is the most active, followed by Keiki and Piz.

I suggest this to the players I have IDd as villagers.

Two out of four.

We can trade kills for two more cycles. But I think to move this forward, we have to stick to this list of poss wolves.

I vote Evans.

He was close to being gone and then the other wolf talked us out of it.

To put it in our terms, its time to play loose-aggressive, pick a list of wolves and a list of villagers, and start a war of attrition.

Kramer, pudley - howzat sound?

I think I may have been the one to talk us out of Evans, I'd have to go back and look. I think he's lower on the suspect list than kei, who's lower than toe.

I've had a gut feeling about Evans since the angel was killed. Can't put a logical reason to it, just a gut feeling about the timing and tone of his posts.

i vote Evans


i've been wrong every time so far tho.


Can't we just set a trap at night instead of lynching random villagers?
:P

*not a player*

Too-Knee's language is very suspect. I think he is a wolf.

i think this is our best shot.

personally i think keikwai is a WW. he was very aggressive about people who didnt vote for wolves to be lynched. this is despite the time cycle reasoning that had been offered.

however i also thought evans was, in fact i was sure of it a few cycles ago.

so lynch evens


FWIW i voted for both WWs to be lynched, if thats what you meant. also i think i have been very helpful in terms of reading thru this massive beast of a thread trying to find logic. so far all our logic sux

gorie, you said in the rules that every werewolf had to PM you in order for it to be a unanimous decision - is this accurate? every werewolf has PMd you during every night cycle?

Players: 7 outstanding votes
Evans67 (3 votes)
keikiwai
Kramer. voted for Evans67
mic_check12
Piz0wn0reD!!!!!! voted for Evans67
pudley4
rbdog voted for Evans67
tightplay
Toe-Knee
zephed

I am suspicious of you and why you are 3rd to vote for evans. Being third is enough to hide behind the group, and yet early enough to change away to keiki if we get 6 votes, needing just one more.

Do you have an answer for me, why I might be wrong? What is the case for Keiki?

i did say everyone werewolf should PM me their vote, but it was so that i knew it was a majority decision and they were working together. it would be a problem if i would act after only 1 vote and 4 werewolves, because i wouldn't know if it was a group decision or not early on. but this does not necessarily mean i had to wait on every werewolf before accepting the kill vote.

if there were 4 werewolves, i could act with 3 votes if the angel and seer had already made their move.

if there were 3 werewolevs i could act on 2 votes if the angel and seer had already made their move.

with 2 wolves, i have sometimes acted on 1 vote because i know they have been working together with their decisions and i don't want to hold up the game more than necessary.

i also allowed people to "queue" their night moves during the day phase if they knew ahead of time.

sorry if that was unclear.

keikwai said:

"I think we should vote for someone who was quiet untill they voted for Sightless, since if they're a werewolfe, they would know Sightless is not.

If we can't find anyone who fits this, we should look for someone who did not vote to kill the 2 werewolves, but did vote for other people."

i reaserched some of these ideas and found D10 fit this description. then i read into some of keikwais posts and some of the wolves votes (and some others) and posted


"D10 did not vote when nation was lynched.

evans67 voted for nation.

after much review, i find it a bit interesting that keikwai keeps insisting we lynch people who did NOT vote for wolves. he has suggested this at least twice."

also he seemed to ignore the whole time-line that was posted and discussed.

upon further reading i discovered 2 important facts:


"note: D10 didnt vote (at all) for jesus or nation - good evidence for keikwai's line

note: nation did vote for jesus - evidence that some of the wolves voted for wolves - possibly evidence for keikwai being a WW"

well D10 wasnt a WW. so i have a good hunch that keikwai was trying to get us to vote for people that couldnt be wolves (assuming all the wolves voted for nation and jesus, or didnt vote on those lynchings)

i hope this makes sense, im a lil drunk

you drunk makes more sense than any of us dumbasses sober.

i'll be back in the morning

need 6 votes to hang someone

gn


i too will be afk for an hour or 2

Piz, are you steering us toward Keiki because you and Evans are the last two wolves? You willing to be the first or last to vote for keiki?

That said, if Kramer and pudley switch, Piz votes for Keiki we would have five...

Kramer/pudley, are you willing to switch and try Piz' logic?

you gotta switch votes first and then I can come along. Until then, we keep the pressure on Evans. (and if Evans votes for Piz... or keiki, we know we got 'em cornered.)

Heres a deal: We follow Piz' lead and vote for Keiki. If Keiki is a villager, Piz is dead next.

Keiki - care to claim a role and explain your play?

Hey guys I'm drunk, I love you all , but sure I was gonna vote evans yesterday so I say why not today.. If your still thinking about me, please wait till tomarrow around 3pm so I can soberly defend myself.

[censored]. that's a lot of time i wasted, and maybe put us on the wrong path.

here's something i just read from jesus - this was before we knew any info about anyone:

If our "vote for someone who hasn't posted yet" strategy is to be effective, shouldn't we try to figure out who among us is in the United States and who is not? The time difference could be one reason for infrequent posts. Don't want to kill a bloody Englishman for no reason. 4-6 8:28 am

Is this because he knows that one of the werewolves is in the UK, and doesn't want us lucking out into finding him?

guys, i've had a feeling about toe-knee for a while. he's been randomly throwing out names without much to back them up. I'll check, but I don't think he's ever suggested a werewolf. He's gone along on the votes, but the two werewolves we've gotten have been due to mac, not due to us figuring anything out, so there wasn't much the werewolves could do to keep us from lynching jesus or nation. That's why it doesn't matter not only if we did/didn't vote for jesus/nation, but it doesn't even matter when we voted for them - 1st is the same as 5th is the same as last when we KNOW they'll be gone.

Like I pointed out before, he's got one very suspicious post after bobby was killed - it was his only post in an 8 hour period, it was him posting to say "i would have voted for bobby if i had been around" and it came 6 minutes after nation posted - clearly possible if they were PMing back and forth and they wanted to try to show us that they would have gone along with our vote.

His "proof" of not being a werewolf is no proof at all; he randomly guessed to lynch mowz, and then tried to say "oh, a wolf wouldn't have given the name of the angel". Well, no one except the seer would have known who the angel was, so his argument has no merit.

I haven't seen anything from him that helps out our cause, just random names, and then jumping on bandwagons.

I actually got the sense the first time I read that, that he wanted to eliminate the UK players to speed up each cycle.

It is the 3wolf decision that was too quick and suspicious. I just seem to keep coming back to the four players I mentioned as active, posting, voting and yet not leading the voting. (without going back and reading) did any of my 'four' defend jesus or Nation? or not vote in those days?

That would be a clincher for me, pudley.

So far, none of the people jesus suggested the seer check out has actually been a werewolf. Here were his suggestions:

Did we come to a consensus as to whome the seer should look at? I think piz, jba, or pudley are good choices 4-6 1:54 pm

I think we should have the seer look at andrew, piz, or some random person who hasnt said anything (like mowz or evan67)
4-6 10:02


keikiwai hasn't said much, if anything. I think he is a good research subject for the seer.4-6 9:45 (first to mention keik)

After mac outed jesus, jesus responded with this:

I am not a werewolf. Why is MacDaddy saying he is the seer now? Why come out with only one name? Nobody has even mentioned me as a werewolf. Why would the seer investigate me over jba, 42it, piz, etc? 4-6 4:01 pm Trying to deflect onto another suspicious person, but one who is a villager.

Finally, we have this one:

I think MacDaddy must be a werewolf. As I said, why would he investigate me? In seer nominations, I wasn't even nominated. Why would the seer ignore everything and pick people at random? 4-6 4:06 pm

Showing that he really wanted the seer to pick one of the people who had been nominated (because none of them were werewolves?)

If so, then our suspects are:

toe-knee
rbdog
zephed
mic_check
tightplay

we also need to remember that being absent doesn't exclude a player from being a werewolf, since gorie just said that she did NOT require PMs from every single living werewolf...

The intersection of our two lists is ToeKnee.

Like you, I have done too much breakdown and voted early on each wolf (following the seer, obv.) I am so village people, Im the contruction worker *AND* the Indian.

Wanna lead the bandwagon for ToeKnee?

Evans and ToeKnee?
Evans and Keiki?
Keiki and ToeKnee?

Who are you voting for during this day, pudley?

I think it's Evans and PizOwnEred...

I was looking at this post when we were all going after Sightless the villager... it was made by Piz

Not a very strong argument, but if we think Evans is a WW then Piz was protecting his fellow WW, and its Evans and Piz...

I vote for Evans

About my previous posts, I was thinking out loud, and I still think they make sense.

Wow, I leave to go play canterbury and have 4 votes, that sucks.

I'm leaning towards toe-knee. He asked that he be given a chance to defend himself tomorrow. I'm willing to wait - I don't want all the work we've done to go to waste. I'd also like to go back over all his posts and see if he was trying to influence us at all in any direction towards a villager or away from a werewolf. I'm too tired to do that tonight, so I'm off for the night.

As of right now my vote, when I cast it, will be for Toe-Knee (this is not official, however).

ok then I retract my vote for Evans

I've been saying this all along, I vote Keikwai.