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Old 11-16-2009, 03:32 PM   #451
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I agree, you should be banned from writing for cheating

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Old 11-16-2009, 03:36 PM   #452
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yeah i'm sure kids are riveted
Maybe people will tell their own kids?

You know what I meant. Don't be difficult.
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:37 PM   #453
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I agree, you should be banned from writing for cheating

Cheating because it's easy. Yes.
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:37 PM   #454
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what does riveted mean?

something to do with ribbons? A rivet is something that is used to make something look better? usually clothing?

all this instead of googling it... fml
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:40 PM   #455
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You said earlier that the trend toward large mish-mashes is creating a large group of players who are experienced but who aren't really learning the necessary skills to become better WW players...

What size game do you think is best for learning those skills?
Did I answer this yet? My head is spinning today — I may be able to explain in a while.

Vanilla. Almost any size up through perhaps 29, though 25 would be a better cutoff. And actually, 13ers are the minimum for really seeing how the game should play out imo — most of the skills are just as important in a 9er, but its' harder t see the interplay (and seer play is far different).
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:42 PM   #456
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what does riveted mean?

something to do with ribbons? A rivet is something that is used to make something look better? usually clothing?

all this instead of googling it... fml
Rivet = a kind of fastener for metal plates — punched in, then bent (radially symmetrically) to lock them together.

Metaphorically, he meant really interested, locked on as it were.
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:47 PM   #457
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i completely agree that 9-27 player vanilla games are the best for honing and estimating ww skills
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:48 PM   #458
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I will go one step further and say its games with between 13 and 19 players, 21 being reasonable. 23 is clearly a cutoff point, but only lasts one day at 23... but then its 21 which is not that great... and then its 19, okay I'll stop here.
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:53 PM   #459
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i completely agree that 9-27 player vanilla games are the best for honing and estimating ww skills
Along these lines: I greatly prefer vanilla games with a n0 peek, including for skill development, in this case leaving hints (or not) and seer hunting.
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:54 PM   #460
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:55 PM   #461
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This thread is a very nice read (or well, I must admit that I skip over some of the politics talk, but I can quickly add to this that I find myself agreeing with you on a lot of points if we ignore the kill a few billion people and 100 % inheritance tax stuff).

But seeing as you actually don't have a problem with spending time on criticizing people's WW game, I guess I'll add my name to the list of people who'd like your personal and player-specific advice. I think that I have been in all of the games that you have played the last 2˝ months, so hopefully you have a fresh memory regarding my game.
1) When you're the village vig don't kill Elliot when he's a villager.

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Old 11-16-2009, 03:57 PM   #462
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i completely agree that 9-27 player vanilla games are the best for honing and estimating ww skills
This makes me want to volunteer to mod more 13er/17ers.
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:59 PM   #463
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that situation might never come up again in years anyway

I think the above is douchey but I still want to post it, whats wrong with me?

omg im writing more, im tying myself to this post by putting more effort into it, however small, so that I will feel obligated to post it eventually, and the more it grows the crappier it is and the less u guys deserve to read this **** but the more effort-invested I am. Oh fk me!! Im gonna hit post, please forgive me one day.
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Old 11-16-2009, 03:59 PM   #464
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:02 PM   #465
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that situation might never come up again in years anyway

I think the above is douchey but I still want to post it, whats wrong with me?

omg im writing more, im tying myself to this post by putting more effort into it, however small, so that I will feel obligated to post it eventually, and the more it grows the crappier it is and the less u guys deserve to read this **** but the more effort-invested I am. Oh fk me!! Im gonna hit post, please forgive me one day.

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Old 11-16-2009, 04:03 PM   #466
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I knew it goll darn it!
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:03 PM   #467
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:08 PM   #468
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This makes me want to volunteer to mod more 13er/17ers.
In. Which is unusual these days — I really don't see myself playing very often for a couple months. I did a poor job in the game that just ended (I let the other villagers do the work, basically — hai, Andy), and that's not the player I want to be.
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:14 PM   #469
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Do you think travelling as much as you did is worth it? Dont you feel like the world is inside you already sometimes?
For me, it's always worth it, no matter what's inside. But then, I have the sometimes-pathological to see, do, and know everything; your mileage may vary.

Most of my travel within the US and Canada has been alone, by the way. But though I'm strongly inclined toward loneliness in general, I essentially never feel lonely when I'm on the road. In fact, I'm almost always at peace when I'm somewhere new or isolated.
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:16 PM   #470
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I even cleared you atak, that was my best villager game ever, pretty hard I'll ever surpass it.

found 2 wolves in 2 days, was villagery all along, cleared you and thingy and drontier correctly and drew a nk as vanillager with a perfectly orchestrated fake peek all of it correct.

That was the peak of my villa ww career, and my wolf peak was 2 games ago. Thinking of retiring after the 39 series.
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:17 PM   #471
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As for writing: That's related but different. I've always been able to write well; for example, I won statewide writing competitions when I was a kid, too. Unfortunately, writing well and writing easily are different. I hate writing, at least writing anything I have to write, and that gets paralyzing at times. I it comes off the top of my head (y'all see that in werewolf OPs and this well, for example) it seems always to be decent and flow well and all, but if it's an assignment I just shut down. My mother reminded me directly that it was thus even as far back as junior high, when I couldn't even bear to start writing assignments until late the night before the due date, even assignments that required days of work. Getting all As that way was not easy.

The problem continues today, and is problematic still. There is something lengthy I have to write before I can practice law, and I've tried for years to do it. I can't. It scares me, somehow. My writing is natural and easy and logical... and I can't do it, and I have paid an enormous price (years of unemployment) as a result.
I am the same way.
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:20 PM   #472
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FWIW, 27 player vanilla = the perfect werewolf experience
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:22 PM   #473
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FWIW, 27 player vanilla = the perfect werewolf experience
too many, some of them posting too much, (like me) and some of them posting too little or not at all.

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Old 11-16-2009, 04:24 PM   #474
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Just want to say this is an incredible well, so much of what you're writing is deeply personal and your life sounds as interesting as any I've ever heard of: write a book?

In other news, a lot of it resonates with me, and despite your obvious and admitted shortcomings and difficulties, I learned a tremendous amount from the experience that was reading your well. Yes, it was an experience.
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Old 11-16-2009, 04:27 PM   #475
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This thread is a very nice read (or well, I must admit that I skip over some of the politics talk, but I can quickly add to this that I find myself agreeing with you on a lot of points if we ignore the kill a few billion people and 100 % inheritance tax stuff).

But seeing as you actually don't have a problem with spending time on criticizing people's WW game, I guess I'll add my name to the list of people who'd like your personal and player-specific advice. I think that I have been in all of the games that you have played the last 2˝ months, so hopefully you have a fresh memory regarding my game.
I am mostly thinking about my villa game here btw.
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