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01-01-2013 , 10:03 AM
As a general principle I'm fine with POG mods taking action like that if it's justified fwiw

I think a mod coming into a signup thread saying 'x sucks as a mod you shouldn't play their game' would be far less professional/beneficial than just closing the thread and suggesting they get more ww experience under their belt/an experienced co-mod/whatever
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01-01-2013 , 10:04 AM
I blame the wolf loss on WN getting distracted over starrazz's modding.
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01-01-2013 , 10:08 AM
I demand explanation

Starazzzzz for mod of year
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01-01-2013 , 10:13 AM
Village MVP LKJ report to the thread.
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01-01-2013 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by hardcoreUFO
I'm sorry rebonkulous for saying you're horrible. you're not, you made the GOAT peek and won the game for us.
No worries and I apologize for doing the same to you. Was all just part of the game. I only had one agenda that game and that was never getting night killed
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01-01-2013 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by TimeLady
I intend on replying to you, I was just prioritizing PMing starrazz back in reply to his PMs

well named and soah can explain better what happened since it was them who dealt with it.
still waiting
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01-01-2013 , 10:35 AM
considering that starrazz decided to CC you, I didn't think a reply was needed anymore
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01-01-2013 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by captain binkles
POG would be a better place if others had that sort of passion iyam
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01-01-2013 , 10:38 AM
CC?

Like I said, I have heard one side, and his story does not warrant a "ban to mod"
So I would like to know what you are basing your jugement on.
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01-01-2013 , 10:40 AM
CC=carbon copy.

Like we are all getting those pms.

Starrazz gets to continue modding and that's the end of it.
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01-01-2013 , 10:42 AM
Well what's worse is to publicly ban a mod without explaining why
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01-01-2013 , 10:45 AM
Star didn't do anything wrong as mod this game (the lack of vote counts at end of d1 did cause more confusion than players should have to deal with, but obviously I can't shout too loudly about that since I still messed it up), so I'm not really sure what the story is. TL is being cryptic though, and it sounds like it's something from outside of just this thread.

Sounds like we'll get an explanation soon enough.
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01-01-2013 , 10:49 AM
I was debating over making this post or not because in many ways I feel well named wouldn't have banned starrazz from modding if he didn't have a pretty good reason for it, but I do feel there is a double standard going on here when it comes to who starrazz is pissing off.

when starrazz started here on POG, he moderated the breaking bad vanilla game. I can't think of a single aspect of that modding that wasn't just plain wrong. I guess most people here know the story: he subbed three people out at f5 over the '10 posts minimal' rule when it was a holiday AND it was a no lynch day. he QUOTED the wolf team NKs ITT. when I subbed in I thought I had TMI over binkles role and he suggested that it was up to me playing with the knowledge that binkles was a wolf. he decided to modkill me and binkles over the TMI without waiting for the other mods and without waiting for me to find a sub. oh, he wanted the players to find subs (???). he was extremely arrogant to a number of people, including duckburg who was running x-files at the time (he almost broke x-files and I almost got modkilled over it because he was spewing my role there to everyone). postgame a bunch of people criticized him and he was very aggressive to them. it was a nightmare. it's the worst moderation I have knowledge of up to this day. there are so many other things wrong about that, but you get the idea.

then starrazz started modding turbos and breaking them. he didn't know things like 'the seer gets a random villa n0'. he then started spamming POG with those 2 men werewolf games. he started barring people from playing his turbos just because they 'in'ned one day and went to bed or something and forgot to play. each and everyone of those things pissed people off.

I started talking to him and exchanging PMs on how I felt about him and why I felt his modding was bad. he responded to every criticism positively, promised to improve, and I felt that he was on the right track. this is very clearly a guy that cares about POG and has a lot of fun modding games. he should stick around. he is good for the community.

in this game he showed he can improve. he pulled it off. he modded this game, from the first SOD until postgame, without breaking it in any way AFAIK. apparently his only mistake was being arrogant/aggressive to a POG mod. and he was sacked over it.

now that doesn't make any sense, does it? he was arrogant, aggressive and absurd to people that were only trying to help him in the past COPIOUSLY. everyone gave him a second, third, 4th chance. he improved and moderated this game in an awesome fashion (as far as moderating vanillas go). his videos were great, and I'm satisfied with everything. he went from inept to good as a mod and everyone suffered from how bad he was in the process. why did everyone have to stand him when he was an atrocious moderator and help him improve in one way or the other just for him to get randomly sacked over something as minor and irrelevant as being a dick to a moderator?

hey I didn't think starrazz deserved a second chance. after breaking bad I thought he should have been immediately sacked from modding anything before he had at least 20 games under his belt. we tolerated him, we helped him improve. now everyone knows the risks and benefits of playing a game under starrazz' moderation. if we are still inning those, is because we want to. he is no longer a risk to the community. he knows everything there is to know about modding a vanilla and he should keep modding those. not only because he is hilarious as a mod, but also because he is good at it and he cares about it.

anyway. FREE STARRAZZ. boo mods. well named regardless. I hope you don't take that as a personal attack or anything. it's just my POV.
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01-01-2013 , 10:51 AM
As long as his game fills i dont see what the ****ing problem is, if he is incapable of running a game they wouldnt fill, they do so WTF


Would play again.
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01-01-2013 , 10:53 AM
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01-01-2013 , 10:54 AM
The people have spoken!

An explanation is demanded!

FREE STARAZZ!
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01-01-2013 , 10:55 AM
TL did say in the other thread that this was about stuff that happened "behind the scenes." Probably too early to rush to judgment either way.
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01-01-2013 , 10:56 AM
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01-01-2013 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by LKJ
TL did say in the other thread that this was about stuff that happened "behind the scenes." Probably too early to rush to judgment either way.
All the more reason for a public explanation

He should have been privately banned by pm from modding before hand if something bad had happened
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01-01-2013 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by rebonkulous
All the more reason for a public explanation
I agree.
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01-01-2013 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by BirdieLongSocks
Man just avoid the pub, its just a big popularity contest.
Reported
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01-01-2013 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by rebonkulous
All the more reason for a public explanation

He should have been privately banned by pm from modding before hand if something bad had happened
I was in the process of doing that when he made his signup thread

The time between me getting to my laptop and seeing his game had ended and him posting his new signup thread was about 10 minutes.

I imagine it will become public. I wanted to discuss things with starrazz privately because it's frankly easier that way, but he doesn't seem willing to do that. Since well named and soah were the exact mods involved in what happened this game, I think they should be the ones to explain fully what happened since anything I say will be based on second hand information.
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01-01-2013 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by TimeLady
I am not going to bring everything up so people can watch with popcorn. If you want to talk about this, you can PM me and the other green mods and we will explain what you need to do in order for us to feel comfortable with you modding any games again.
Lol

Starazz is awesome

I mean I've spoken privately many times with him and he's awesome

This game had big personalities

And he modded awesome

Lol pog mods
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01-01-2013 , 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by captain binkles
As a general principle I'm fine with POG mods taking action like that if it's justified fwiw

I think a mod coming into a signup thread saying 'x sucks as a mod you shouldn't play their game' would be far less professional/beneficial than just closing the thread and suggesting they get more ww experience under their belt/an experienced co-mod/whatever
We give game mods the right to choose who plays in their games and what mod kill rules to follow already. I can't fathom what star did wrong

Unless he is rigging rands or something

But other mods have done that too
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01-01-2013 , 11:07 AM
Man you mods are ****ing teases LETS HEAR SOME DIRT.
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