Are you and Noah cool yet? That one upset me

I'm not going to read your wall of text but I'll respond to the bottom.

IIRC it was split 50/50 on mods wanting to remove you from this game and mods wanting you to just finish this game.

I was in the camp of just let you finish this game and then deal with it when the game is over. You didn't really give us much time to do that since you immediately started a new thread. Poor timing I suppose but that wasn't the way it was supposed to go down.

I also am not trying to stir the pot but I thought game mods had full say of their games ie rules who gets to play how strict to mod kill etc and that pog mods had no interest in changing that standard

They do; however we were all in agreement that this is the exception to that rule.

This is what I'm up against, fellow poggers...a moderator who won't even read what I have to say and then make decisions that impact us all.

I lied. Skimmed your wall of text.

Again, you are asserting control of this that you don't have. We'll give you a timeframe but it will be longer than 2 weeks. The time period I have in mind is "indefinite" only because giving a timeframe would be counter-productive. I want to see you play some number of games where that number is x (I'm not sure of this number yet, tbh). So its not really a time limit thing, its an experience thing.

Rest assured that I don't see indefinite as a permanent thing, as I do believe the remaining days of this game showed that you are willing to comply with some of the accepted standards in POG.

See below. I read it. Glad to see it wasn't 100% more of the same.

Just so you know - the part in red is what was suggested after his first vanilla game. he didn't do that.

And your answer doesn't even address what you purportedly are responding to. You are leaving out the option of letting me finish the game AND telling me what your intentions were upon its conclusion. Obviously you thought I'd teddy it, unless I'm missing something here logically.

Not true, I took this suggestion.

He's not banned from modding because of anything in this game being especially bad. There had already been an informal agreement in the mod forum that he shouldn't run anymore long games for a while, but in spite of that he was given another chance here on the condition that it would be strictly vanilla with no twists. Then it took the work of one pog mod playing the game and one pog mod not involved in the game to get him to post the lynch results in plain text like how they are always posted in every other game. That is enough of an issue to make us stick with the prior decision. We don't want to keep spending time overseeing his modding and we don't have much confidence that there won't be additional issues in the future.

A number of people have privately expressed to us that they will not sign up for any games that starazz runs, and it was suggested that starrazz's attempts to run turbos actually make it less likely for everyone to play a turbo due to the people who choose not to sign up for his games but would sign up otherwise. We didn't want it to come down to this, and so we've been patient and lenient while suggesting that he get more playing experience before modding more games, but at this point it seems clear that intervention is best for pog.

I see that I missed a lot of new posts while typing this. Oh well.

If your expectation is that my continued healthy and incident-free participation as a player in the games in this forum for the next 2 weeks, in light of the successful moderation of this 13er, isn't enough to warrant even the ability to moderate a 9-man TURBO, then we are in different universes and should just part ways now.

Meh the timing of the PM never really crossed my mind tbh.

So I can speak for myself and say that, no, I didn't think you'd teddy the game (on purpose).

2 weeks could potentially be, what, 1 long game? Maybe 2?

Who was your co-mod this game?

I'm trying to respect the spirit of what you moderators are trying to do because I know you're doing it for the community, but let's be fair.

I was referring to the portion where you said "suggesting they get more ww experience under their belt"

I've been signing up to play a storm not just mod

I've been signing up for turbos, too...and would continue to do so...nothing like playing in them to improve the moderating of them, right?

So you just decided which parts seemed important and which parts didn't. Ok.

Playing turbos is a good thing, as well. My point is that I don't believe 2 weeks is a sufficient timeframe. I suppose time will tell.

I never said or did anything to Noah that was disrespectful, and I even participated in one of his guessing games just in the last 24 hours with no problem. Again, trying to show respect for the concept of building up playing experience and having a good time (even if it was a rare departure from ww)

Starrazz, i suggest you listen to the mods and play some werewolf before you mod again. To be honest, playing is more fun than modding anyway

If you would be so kind as to develop objective criteria it would help me make an informed decision about participation and would resolve this, because I'm willing to admit that my timeframes aren't necessarily ideal

I will I just am trying to figure out what the path is exactly to doing both.

You had told me that you would poll your players after the game about your performance as a mod and then take a break from modding if the feedback was poor. I didn't want to give a response as to whether we would agree to that because I still needed to discuss it with the others who weren't online at the time, and because I was hoping that you would choose to voluntarily take a break from modding either because of that feedback or because of other reasons (such as posts in the Festivus thread). None of us expected that you would put up a new signup thread immediately after this game concluded. I expected that you would forward me the responses from your survey as you had promised and the issue could be taken from there.

It was not stated in the signup thread that lynch results would be posted by video, so what you are arguing is moot. From reading the posts in the signup thread, it seemed clear to me that starrazz was agreeing to mod this game according to the typical vanilla game standards with none of his own personal quirks. Mods are allowed a lot of leeway in how they run their games, but that's with the expectation that players understand upfront what they are signing up for, and that the mods will make a fair effort at accommodating the players and running things fairly, etc. Posting results only by video would legitimately cause a burden to some players. At the time that this happened, well named was having problems with his internet connection and I had assumed that the reason he was so annoyed was because he was a villager and was unable to actually load the video (or maybe it was just that none of the other wolves were online to tell him the results).

This is also true, and I was wrong to be insubordinate first and get explanation before obeying. I should have obeyed first then argued it out later and found out how wrong I was. Big fail on my part.