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09-13-2011 , 06:19 AM
TBH, i can understand your pov. I guess i'm a little frustrated that i seem to be ok at making good but second best scores (see yesterday, also possible today) but not good at winning, and also that the rating seems to move very little. Very possibly this is for good reasons - very likely i'm less good than i think i am/blow up badly fairly often, but if i can't win and i can't move my ranking much, then what's the point? Try to imporve you say? Pshaw.
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09-13-2011 , 08:32 AM
I agree that the rating system is boring. It is as if you are looking at grass that grows.

If you are classified in top ten and end up last, you should lose like 20 points.
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09-13-2011 , 05:05 PM
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I fail

Today I had a decision at rack 8, took the percentage play and it went exactly the other way ldo
Could we leave these kinds of comments to the following day in the future? I think that is tmi. Saying you failed, or made a mistake is completely fine, since it doesn't give any info about the game. But saying you took the percentage play at rack 8 and it didn't work can definitely affect the way someone plays their challenge. So whether the info is true or false, imo we should just let people make their own decisions without saying anything specific about the game before it is over and possibly affecting some desicions while doing that.


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I´m going to lose my second place in the DC ratings to a guy that does not play.
I don't think so. Maybe I'm crazy, but I really don't see any way how the ratings were correct both before and after the last update, so either they were wrong before, or are now, and all the evidence points to them being wrong now. So, and this goes for kioshk and kokiri too (and anyone who had gained rating between the two big updates), I believe it is very likely that your ratings are higher than they currently seem to be. Just have to patient, and wait until Zac has time to look through what exactly happened.


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but I admire people who are versatile enough to consistently do well.
Don't know what your definition of doing consistently well is, but imo nobody does, everyone has their failures.

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Originally Posted by kokiri
I guess i'm a little frustrated that i seem to be ok at making good but second best scores (see yesterday, also possible today) but not good at winning, and also that the rating seems to move very little. Very possibly this is for good reasons - very likely i'm less good than i think i am/blow up badly fairly often, but if i can't win and i can't move my ranking much, then what's the point? Try to imporve you say? Pshaw.
You can win, and have done so, maybe not as often as you would like, but you are still winning every now and then. I can understand your frustration in this though, since I've had a lot of very good scores too, but they just haven't been good enough to get me wins. And your rating will move up (slowly but surely), if you do well. Like I said before, it is very likely that what it currently shows is not the rating you should have, just have to wait with that. And if anyone wants to improve, imo timed games are the best way to practice for daily challenges, even playing them by yourself. In those you will have to play situations that you will face in daily challenges too. Playing regular games with good starting racks trying to score 40k+/50k+ or advanced games aren't really that helpful.
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09-14-2011 , 05:35 AM
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Could we leave these kinds of comments to the following day in the future? I think that is tmi. Saying you failed, or made a mistake is completely fine, since it doesn't give any info about the game. But saying you took the percentage play at rack 8 and it didn't work can definitely affect the way someone plays their challenge. So whether the info is true or false, imo we should just let people make their own decisions without saying anything specific about the game before it is over and possibly affecting some desicions while doing that.
Sir yes sir

I could have co-won the challenge. I had to chose to block my 3-chain or place an unconnected 6 in the corner. I needed 2x3 to make a 5-chain of 3s.

Since it was more likely to NOT get a 6 in rack 9 and have a suboptimal chain 1 than it was to get 2x3 in rack 9 I placed the 6 in rack 8 to block the chain of 3s. Lo and behold, rack 9 had 2x3 and the 6.

Anyway: today, I did a lot better.
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09-15-2011 , 03:09 AM
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Anyway: today, I did a lot better.
QFT

Third win in a week! Oh yeah. I´m closing in on mrgibson.
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09-15-2011 , 06:10 PM
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QFT

Third win in a week! Oh yeah. I´m closing in on mrgibson.
That is indeed a very nice run!

Finally managed to play a timed game in less than one minute.

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09-18-2011 , 03:40 PM
Ship the DC win yesterday. Somehow it being with a distinctly suboptimal score feels better than by perfecting - like it was a tougher game or something.

Of course i went south today in a big way, and even made an error in the 9th set of dice.
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09-18-2011 , 04:25 PM
Remarkable how you played 6s. I would have ended with two chains and gambled for the 6 in the last rack to complete a full snake (60%-ish). If I play basic strat, I ALWAYS place the first two 6s in rack 5-8 in opposite corners in the center square. It improves the probability of making the complete snake.
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09-18-2011 , 04:41 PM
i did some maths on that situation, to try to work out in which rounds it was worth doing which option, then forgot it all, and usually do it like you do. Why i did it differently this time i can only explain with reference to the phases of the moon, the direction of the winds, and solar flares.
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09-19-2011 , 06:15 AM
lol that was the PERFECT rack 9 for you.
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09-19-2011 , 07:45 AM
thanks to the 2-5 manipulator
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09-19-2011 , 10:37 AM
I don't play TC much anymore, but I was leading the DC late at night and I wake up to see I was beaten by anton-09's late submission

He is the same person who was involved in the whole milma thing right?
For someone who has so many wins I see him making a lot of strange plays.
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09-19-2011 , 10:40 AM
Also I think I only jumped 2 points in the rating yesterday? (Keep in mind I have <1000 games)
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09-19-2011 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkDonkDonkDonk
siiiick

Nice score, but why are you using the 1->4 manipulation? If you have to use that, it gives you a 4, which is almost always useless. Re-roll 1 is a lot better, 20% of the time it is the same as 1->4, 20% of the time it gives a 3, which is better than a 4, since there are more manipulations to get rid of 3s, 40% of the time it gives a scoring 5 or 6, and 20% of the time it gives a 2, which is often good, but can sometimes screw up the game if it can't be placed anywhere without touching already paired 2/2s, and it can't be changed with 2->5 or re-roll any, since they have already been used. So overall re-roll 1 is a lot better than 1->4.


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I don't play TC much anymore, but I was leading the DC late at night and I wake up to see I was beaten by anton-09's late submission

He is the same person who was involved in the whole milma thing right?
For someone who has so many wins I see him making a lot of strange plays.
I looked through some of his earlier daily challenges, and he has played 4s or 3s as the outside chain more often than they should've been played as the outside chain, so it is entirely possible that he is doing that on purpose trying to get more wins using unconventional plays. However, I believe there were also a 5 and a 6 in the first rack yesterday, so going with 4s as the outside chain seems weird, unless switching to them by rotating the board like kokiri did, but in this case Anton's board should've been sideways, since he plays normally the standard way in rotational sense, and it wasn't. More suspiciously, he has two scores yesterday, one of them is 0, so has he played it twice and gotten extra info to play like he did now? Also depending of 1s and 2s, he could've possibly 3-zoned 5s, but maybe intentionally chose not to, knowing that he would win with just 2-zoning them, so his score wouldn't be too high to make cheating seem more likely. But since I don't remember the exact racks, that last part is just guessing. Zac obviously has more info, so we'll have to wait what he thinks. Below is a screenshot that shows his game and how he has two scores yesterday. Also, how did Anon "play" the daily challenge? And it says there were 34 players, so there have to be three more 0 point scores, that aren't visible, since there were too many players to fit on the screen, that seems weird too.




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Also I think I only jumped 2 points in the rating yesterday? (Keep in mind I have <1000 games)
As you can see from the picture above, you tied for 2nd with 8 other players. And also the total number of games played doesn't matter at all, only the amount of daily challenges played.


I made a new personal best for fastest game played, 56 seconds, and it was 40k+ too.

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09-19-2011 , 12:36 PM
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Nice score, but why are you using the 1->4 manipulation? If you have to use that, it gives you a 4, which is almost always useless. Re-roll 1 is a lot better, 20% of the time it is the same as 1->4, 20% of the time it gives a 3, which is better than a 4, since there are more manipulations to get rid of 3s, 40% of the time it gives a scoring 5 or 6, and 20% of the time it gives a 2, which is often good, but can sometimes screw up the game if it can't be placed anywhere without touching already paired 2/2s, and it can't be changed with 2->5 or re-roll any, since they have already been used. So overall re-roll 1 is a lot better than 1->4.
I am using reroll 1, just I have a spare point after getting 2-5 and i figure having 1-4 is ever so slightly better than not having it
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09-19-2011 , 12:40 PM
I think I got really lucky in that one, I had to roll double 5 in the 8th rack to complete the 5 rack, i got none but got one 1 too many and a 3, so i used the reroll 3 and reroll 1 and binked two fives
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09-19-2011 , 12:51 PM
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I am using reroll 1, just I have a spare point after getting 2-5 and i figure having 1-4 is ever so slightly better than not having it
Oh, of course, should've thought about that option too. Yea, it is better than nothing, barely. So which manipulation are you not using then?

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I think I got really lucky in that one, I had to roll double 5 in the 8th rack to complete the 5 rack, i got none but got one 1 too many and a 3, so i used the reroll 3 and reroll 1 and binked two fives
Nice, luckily you needed only two more 5s. Also, you still had 2->5, and re-roll any at that point too, so you had more chances to get those 5s, if the first re-rolls wouldn't have given them. And to get that high scores, luck is always needed.
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09-19-2011 , 12:59 PM
i'm not using reroll rack or premonition
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09-19-2011 , 01:16 PM
I use reroll rack and I'm only on level 10. It is way more useful than 1->4 imo.

Means you can get away with one awful roll somewhere in there without having to restart the game/waste a bunch of other manipulations.
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09-19-2011 , 01:31 PM
Kinda funny chain here:

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09-19-2011 , 04:16 PM
1->4 is potentially useful to NOT have a 1 on a very 1 heavy board, i suppose.
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09-19-2011 , 04:37 PM
Yeah 99% of the use is to get rid of a 1 in the last rack when you can't place it anywhere.
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09-20-2011 , 03:52 AM
I got an Alice 3rd in yesterday's DC.
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09-20-2011 , 05:11 AM
whooohoooo I am now equaling the number of wins of mrgibson.

Zac!!! I´m coming for you!!!
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