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05-24-2013 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by nivelles piret
Just in, after a really good battle in semi-final between Alex(4) and Kokirixx(8), we finally have our first ever 16-players final between TH10(3) and Kokirixx in "Looking for trouble" . Good luck to both!
ha, you beat me into TT to brag

i had a slight glitch in the last game whereby my internet crapped out midway through, and when it came back, the score didn't register as the score in the tournament, i totally failed to recreate my score when i reran it, but fortunately both games beat Alex's.
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05-24-2013 , 03:45 PM
I expect the 32-er to start somewhere in 2015
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05-24-2013 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
ha, you beat me into TT to brag

i had a slight glitch in the last game whereby my internet crapped out midway through, and when it came back, the score didn't register as the score in the tournament, i totally failed to recreate my score when i reran it, but fortunately both games beat Alex's.
Was it even the same game? Or was it a normal mode game that was played instead of the tournament game? I think that at least used to happen when clicking new game instead of next game.

Big fails in games 2 and 3.

Still somehow won game 3.
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05-24-2013 , 03:58 PM
maybe i misclicked - whilst the two scores were close, my sense was that i wasn't playing the same game - i was going to try to replay the game but closed the tab with the old version on and then when i brought it back the game was gone and it felt different.

gg,
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05-24-2013 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by kokiri
maybe i misclicked - whilst the two scores were close, my sense was that i wasn't playing the same game - i was going to try to replay the game but closed the tab with the old version on and then when i brought it back the game was gone and it felt different.

gg,
GGs.

Was the other game this?
http://triplechain.net/reconstruct?chain_id=2940268

I don't see a game by you with a better score than the 5th game in that previous round vs. Alex: http://triplechain.net/reconstruct?chain_id=2940290

The time stamps are 5 minutes apart.
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05-24-2013 , 04:15 PM
confirmed. The disparity in 2s was one of the things that made me think it wasn't the same game. I must have misclicked 'next game' not 'next round'.
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05-24-2013 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe
I think it is optimal. You can still easily create a 6-chain that 5-zones with 3 6s and you are 3 numbers ahead of 5s, so unlikely will the 5-chain ever beat the 4-chain
But then if you create that good 6-chain then your third chain will be awful.

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and you are 3 numbers ahead of 5s, so unlikely will the 5-chain ever beat the 4-chain
This misses the point. The game is called Triplechain, not Doublechain. It's about getting the best overall setup, looking at your top 3 chains plus bonus Currently 4s have a value 116% of that of 5s, but only 84% of the value of 6s. This is nowhere near dominant enough to cement them as the major chain in Dynasty/basic, especially at the most high-variance spot of the game. You want to try to have the best possible chain setup by the end of Round 4. Therefore leaving one of the 4s on the side in Round 1 is fine; if there are a few more 4s then you play them in however you want to set up. If there is only one or no more 4s in Rounds 2-4 then 4s will probably become your third chain and having them as your major Dynasty chain is a big weakness. The other advantage to leaving a 4 on the side in Round 1 is that it leaves your setup flexible, so you can start to cement it in Rounds 2 and 3 when you have far more information about which chains are dominant.
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05-24-2013 , 09:16 PM
When i discovered TC i got addicted, like unreal fast. Was clicking button, was not putting to much thought in what i was reading. Soon, i discovered Timed and was clicking more random button, always with Dynasty strategy, no thought, just pray not to be beat. Doesn't work well (against TH it's tough but it's fun!). Think i'm learning slowly than most but i love the game. I put more thought, read some stuff, was practicing in the shadow.

A week ago, i read a post by Gabe, post about 1's placement in Dynasty, in the higher end of the left zone only to give an opportunity to place 3 1's there, wow nice! Logic! Thanks Gaby! Today, in a tourney game against Paul, fml. Was probably still clicking random button, but i forgot about this or whatever. That cost me what i think to be a tie with Paul (in this game), i think? God, now i understand how and why you guys are still playing TC 3 years later for some of you. Gotta love TC. Always some fine tuning i guess ( in my case, need to rebuilt the car, but i'm having fun, so why not).

Me: http://www.triplechain.net/reconstruct?chain_id=2941143



Paul: http://www.triplechain.net/reconstruct?chain_id=2941055

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05-24-2013 , 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by nivelles piret
When i discovered TC i got addicted, like unreal fast. Was clicking button, was not putting to much thought in what i was reading. Soon, i discovered Timed and was clicking more random button, always with Dynasty strategy, no thought, just pray not to be beat. Doesn't work well (against TH it's tough but it's fun!). Think i'm learning slowly than most but i love the game. I put more thought, read some stuff, was practicing in the shadow.

A week ago, i read a post by Gabe, post about 1's placement in Dynasty, in the higher end of the left zone only to give an opportunity to place 3 1's there, wow nice! Logic! Thanks Gaby! Today, in a tourney game against Paul, fml. Was probably still clicking random button, but i forgot about this or whatever. That cost me what i think to be a tie with Paul (in this game), i think? God, now i understand how and why you guys are still playing TC 3 years later for some of you. Gotta love TC. Always some fine tuning i guess ( in my case, need to rebuilt the car, but i'm having fun, so why not).
Don't post that game, I made an embarrassing mistake! :-p In Round 7 I should place a 1 in the top zone and block 4s. I actually thought a little about this in-game but clearly not for long enough :-/
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05-25-2013 , 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by nivelles piret
A week ago, i read a post by Gabe, post about 1's placement in Dynasty, in the higher end of the left zone only to give an opportunity to place 3 1's there, wow nice! Logic! Thanks Gaby!
I'd suggest you setup an optimal dynasty in free move mode and then place a 1 in each of the 4 outer zones and look how you want them.



In the left zone: it should be upstairs, so you can place 3x1s when all chains develop optimally (5-zoning 5s and 6s and 4-zoning 4s).

But you can also look the the other zones. In the bottom zone it should be on the right. It will block the 6-chain from getting to 5 zones. But if you put it on the left, 3x1s means the 5-chain is limited to only 4 (or to 4 zones, but that will limit the 6-chain).

In the right zone: put the 1 in the top. If the 5s do not snake fully, you have a third square for a 1. If you put the 1 in the bottom, you cannot place 3x1s as you will kill your 4-chain.

In the top zone: this is close. if you put the 1 on the right and the 5s do not snake fully, you can place 3x1s. If you put it on the left, you can place 3x1s but 4s will be limited to 3 zones. if you are flooded by 4s, you develop the chains differently, as the 4s will be 5-zoned (left zone-top, top zone-left, left zone-right) and you have a completely free spot in the top zone to place a third 1. So in optimakl dynasty the 1 should be placed on the left. In suboptimal dynasty 8you do not have the 4 in the top of the middle zone, the decision is much closer and I would probably choose to place it on the right, because it is less likely that 5-chain will 5-zone than the 4-chain 4-zoning.

basically, when you play, place a 1 after deciding: which setup of 3x1s is less likely to screw up my chain development? Answer that question and you know where to place the first 1.


After that you get sometimes another question. You need to put 2x1s in a single zone, blocking the ability to place 3x1s. In that case you should ask yourself in which zone you weren't getting to 3x1s anyway and place the second 1 there.
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05-25-2013 , 06:46 AM
Some quick tourney stats.

Longest match winning streak: 14 (2nd longest: 10)
Longest match losing streak: 4 (First four! #strongstart)

Currently I have won more than 50 % of games against

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But I haven't won at least 50 % of matches against everyone. Although there is only one player I've won less than that against

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Like I said previously, 4-player tournaments haven't gone well, otoh 8-player ones have gone really well.
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05-25-2013 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe
Ack, I just stole this game by replaying it. Was so confused when I logged in and saw my name at the top of recent scores.
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05-25-2013 , 06:24 PM
On the bright side, that puts me much closer to finding the bug.
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05-25-2013 , 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TH10
Currently I have won more than 50 % of games against
I don't think this is what you mean. If it is, you haven't done this vs. me.


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But I haven't won at least 50 % of matches against everyone. Although there is only one player I've won less than that against

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And me now.


In other news, NP is crushing me 12-8.
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05-26-2013 , 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by TH10
Some quick tourney stats.

Longest match winning streak: 14 (2nd longest: 10)
Longest match losing streak: 4 (First four! #strongstart)

Currently I have won more than 50 % of games against

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But I haven't won at least 50 % of matches against everyone. Although there is only one player I've won less than that against

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Totals:


Like I said previously, 4-player tournaments haven't gone well, otoh 8-player ones have gone really well.
Lost the last 2 matches 0-5 and 1-4 vs. you, expert jinx.
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05-26-2013 , 09:49 AM
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I don't think this is what you mean. If it is, you haven't done this vs. me.
But it is, ties count as 0.5 wins each.

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And me now.
I should've won the latest one, made a stupid play with the 6 in rack 4 of game 4, I realised it right after I had made it too, should've taken a bit more time instead of clicking buttons. Obv it doesn't cost me that often, but this time it did. So enjoy the donation!

Also, your play in rack 5 of game 3 with 3s can't be right, but you won the match because of that. So when I make a mistake, it costs me the match, when you make one, it wins you the match.

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Lost the last 2 matches 0-5 and 1-4 vs. you, expert jinx.
The 0-5 had already been played before the post. Congrats on winning the inaugural 16-player tourney!

We def. need the time limit applied at some point. It isn't good, but it is better than players never completing matches. Bozzer has played at least two newer tourneys, but two earlier ones are in a standstill because of him playing newer ones instead of them. Not cool.
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05-26-2013 , 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TH10
I should've won the latest one, made a stupid play with the 6 in rack 4 of game 4, I realised it right after I had made it too, should've taken a bit more time instead of clicking buttons. Obv it doesn't cost me that often, but this time it did. So enjoy the donation!

Also, your play in rack 5 of game 3 with 3s can't be right, but you won the match because of that. So when I make a mistake, it costs me the match, when you make one, it wins you the match.
Because I obviously haven't made any small mistakes which have given you wins.

That play is fine, it's to protect the bonus setup. I think your play is bad.
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05-26-2013 , 10:42 AM
Also, may I remind you of Round 1 of Play Paul HU (tourney 160), in which neither of us understood your setup play, but it worked out for you?

Or Round 1 of Fine (tourney 181), where you go into Round 4 with only a (roughly) 50% chance of getting a decent setup (30% of which would match my setup)? That worked out fairly well for you and won you the match.

OR how my mistake in Round 5 of game 4 of Fine lost me the game and thus the match?

Last edited by Paul101; 05-26-2013 at 10:52 AM.
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05-26-2013 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul101
That play is fine, it's to protect the bonus setup. I think your play is bad.
I disagree.

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Because I obviously haven't made any small mistakes which have given you wins.
At least we can agree on something!

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Also, may I remind you of Round 1 of Play Paul HU (tourney 160), in which neither of us understood your setup play, but it worked out for you?

Or Round 1 of Fine (tourney 181), where you go into Round 4 with only a (roughly) 50% chance of getting a decent setup (30% of which would match my setup)? That worked out fairly well for you and won you the match.

OR how my mistake in Round 5 of game 4 of Fine lost me the game and thus the match?
LOL?
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05-26-2013 , 11:16 AM
I finally lost a match in one of the 8-player tourneys.

Now waiting for bozzer in an earlier tourney to see how long the winning streak in those will end up being.

Squiddly Diddly (http://triplechain.net/tournaments/165) had a tough field, top 7 and NP. Well, it was top 7 at the time it started, Alex has now dropped to 8th.
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05-27-2013 , 08:23 AM
How do you play rack 4?



I assume the 4 goes in the upper zone, the 5/6 in the middle and right, but what is the superior setup? What do you do with 1 and 3? Do you join a pair of 1s or do you keep 1x1 in 4 zones?
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05-27-2013 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by TH10
I finally lost a match in one of the 8-player tourneys.

Now waiting for bozzer in an earlier tourney to see how long the winning streak in those will end up being.

Squiddly Diddly (http://triplechain.net/tournaments/165) had a tough field, top 7 and NP. Well, it was top 7 at the time it started, Alex has now dropped to 8th.


but i'm gonna get destroyed, me think, the way i played my 5 matchs.

Also....BOZZERRRRRRrrrrrrrrrr please.
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05-27-2013 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Gabethebabe
How do you play rack 4?



I assume the 4 goes in the upper zone, the 5/6 in the middle and right, but what is the superior setup? What do you do with 1 and 3? Do you join a pair of 1s or do you keep 1x1 in 4 zones?
1
6 4 3
5
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05-27-2013 , 12:04 PM
4
6 5 3
1
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05-27-2013 , 12:12 PM
I've thought about this for a while, and I think the correct play is:
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5

We obviously want the 3 to center to have all the chain numbers as possibilities for later racks. At the same time we don't want to miss any 4s, 5s or 6s from their respective chains, so losing two bonus seems like a much better option here.


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but i'm gonna get destroyed, me think, the way i played my 5 matchs.
I thought it was destined for your win.
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