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Old 06-15-2017, 10:18 AM   #51
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Alright. Here to catch wolves. I see only 42 posts, 2 of which are mine and assume some of stuck's at start. Shouldn't take long to catch up. brb
villagery re-entrance, doe
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:20 AM   #52
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It's nice that there's no possible deviant

I think housenuts's proposition of mass-claiming is super high-variance and I'm not a fan

I'm not sure what it gets us
It's lower variance that what we have right now. Right now we have zero info. I think 2 wolves or 1 wolf + TC has to be what we're working with. 3 wolves or 2+TC seems like a lot. 3+TC is ridiculous.

So really 2 or 1+TC means the game is 33% wolf. If we agree that's a fair assumption, then as a villager I have a 2 in 5 chance of lynching a wolf, or 1 in 5 if it's wolf+tc. Same goes for all other villagers.

I think giving info will allow us to narrow down a wolf and have a much better than 30-40% chance of accurate lynch.

There is also the possibility there isn't a saint.
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:24 AM   #53
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Re: Thursday 4-hour Werewolf Game Thread

I think this is a game of mechanics > tone/posts. Everyone is stuck in ww mindset. Stuck said so. Mass claiming makes sense to me mechanics wise.

Rather than just Villager role, I think we should all claim role + saint. Then we can decide what to do from there.

I also think wolves will be slower at claiming than villagers. They will need to assess their best escape plan.

I'm going to claim very soon. Probably in 10 minutes. Brace yourselves.
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:29 AM   #54
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I think this is a game of mechanics > tone/posts. Everyone is stuck in ww mindset. Stuck said so. Mass claiming makes sense to me mechanics wise.

Rather than just Villager role, I think we should all claim role + saint. Then we can decide what to do from there.

I also think wolves will be slower at claiming than villagers. They will need to assess their best escape plan.

I'm going to claim very soon. Probably in 10 minutes. Brace yourselves.
I'm not really sure I understand what you're driving at here.
You want us to claim our actual role and saint at the same time?
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:30 AM   #55
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I'm not really sure I understand what you're driving at here.
You want us to claim our actual role and saint at the same time?
yes
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:30 AM   #56
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It's lower variance that what we have right now. Right now we have zero info. I think 2 wolves or 1 wolf + TC has to be what we're working with. 3 wolves or 2+TC seems like a lot. 3+TC is ridiculous.

So really 2 or 1+TC means the game is 33% wolf. If we agree that's a fair assumption, then as a villager I have a 2 in 5 chance of lynching a wolf, or 1 in 5 if it's wolf+tc. Same goes for all other villagers.

I think giving info will allow us to narrow down a wolf and have a much better than 30-40% chance of accurate lynch.

There is also the possibility there isn't a saint.
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I think this is a game of mechanics > tone/posts. Everyone is stuck in ww mindset. Stuck said so. Mass claiming makes sense to me mechanics wise.

Rather than just Villager role, I think we should all claim role + saint. Then we can decide what to do from there.

I also think wolves will be slower at claiming than villagers. They will need to assess their best escape plan.

I'm going to claim very soon. Probably in 10 minutes. Brace yourselves.
These two posts hurt my brain. Like the first one feels villagery to me, very much so.

The second one bothers me because claiming feels like such an advantage to the wolves, and I'm like super concerned about getting played here.
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:32 AM   #57
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Re: Thursday 4-hour Werewolf Game Thread

What good does it do for us to do that?

How is it any different than everyone claiming their role and then saint just claiming villager?
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:33 AM   #58
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Re: Thursday 4-hour Werewolf Game Thread

And more importantly what do we actually gain by this whole process?

Show me a fake example of what people would see, and what we could do with it.
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:34 AM   #59
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What good does it do for us to do that?

How is it any different than everyone claiming their role and then saint just claiming villager?
because then the wolves know the saint is a villager. and if there is only 1 other villager claim then wolves have a 50% shot.
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:37 AM   #60
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Re: Thursday 4-hour Werewolf Game Thread

Sure but they know anyway...

Like

irtm: watcher + saint
bread: villager + saint
house: tracker + saint
gad: villager + saint
turtle: viller + saint
hardcore: villager + saint


How is this different than:
irtm: watcher
bread: villager
house: tracker
gad: villager
turtle: villager
hardcore: villager
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:38 AM   #61
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Re: Thursday 4-hour Werewolf Game Thread

Since all villagers will claim villager, all wolves will claim villager, saint will claim villager, TC will (probably?) claim villager.
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:39 AM   #62
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And more importantly what do we actually gain by this whole process?

Show me a fake example of what people would see, and what we could do with it.
resistance to this is really bugging me and giving me wolf vibes.

here is an example:

Gadarene - wolf
ihcjay - wolf
housenuts - villager
iraisetoomuch - villager
Donat3llo - tracker
hardcoreUFO - saint


housenuts: i am villager/saint
irtm: i am villager/saint
don: i am tracker/saint
hardcore: i am villager/saint

wolves.....hmmmm what should we claim?

gad: i am villager/saint
jay: i am villager/saint

ok, well now we know 5 people have claimed villager/saint and it's only possible for there to be 3 villa+1 saint so someone of that group is lying.

we know don is tracker, because saint doesn't claim saint + role other than villager.

so Don can look either left or right and provide info. villagers can all make Don ringleader.

all wolves know now is that Don is not saint. So they have an increased chance of finding saint, but both of them need to be on the same page, and that's difficult.

that's just one example.
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:41 AM   #63
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How is it any different than everyone claiming their role and then saint just claiming villager?
i see what you are saying. yes, no need to say say in your claim.
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:41 AM   #64
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i see what you are saying. yes, no need to say say in your claim.
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:43 AM   #65
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Re: Thursday 4-hour Werewolf Game Thread

Anyways, that is my proposal to sharing of information and trying to figure this out. If y'all think simply trying to figure it out from posts/tone is right, I strongly disagree.
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:43 AM   #66
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resistance to this is really bugging me and giving me wolf vibes.
I think I'm the only one who is possibly ok with it.
I'm just asking you to expand upon your thoughts since they seem sorta useless for parts of it at least.
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:44 AM   #67
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Re: Thursday 4-hour Werewolf Game Thread

And this still really the exact same as 'anyone who is not a villager, saint or a wolf claim your role' lol
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:44 AM   #68
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Re: Thursday 4-hour Werewolf Game Thread

And then we just shoot from the non claimers.
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:45 AM   #69
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Re: Thursday 4-hour Werewolf Game Thread

I'm gonna claim

I'm gossip with info on Gad

I'd like to whisper with Gad to find out if my info is correct or not

If it is then we can proceed one way and if its not we can proceed a different way
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:46 AM   #70
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resistance to this is really bugging me and giving me wolf vibes.

here is an example:

Gadarene - wolf
ihcjay - wolf
housenuts - villager
iraisetoomuch - villager
Donat3llo - tracker
hardcoreUFO - saint


housenuts: i am villager/saint
irtm: i am villager/saint
don: i am tracker/saint
hardcore: i am villager/saint

wolves.....hmmmm what should we claim?

gad: i am villager/saint
jay: i am villager/saint

ok, well now we know 5 people have claimed villager/saint and it's only possible for there to be 3 villa+1 saint so someone of that group is lying.

we know don is tracker, because saint doesn't claim saint + role other than villager.

so Don can look either left or right and provide info. villagers can all make Don ringleader.

all wolves know now is that Don is not saint. So they have an increased chance of finding saint, but both of them need to be on the same page, and that's difficult.

that's just one example.
Yeah, I'm not sure a wolf ever really goes through all of the trouble to write out this post, with scenarios and outcomes.

Welcome to the village House!
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I will send in the request

Gad if you want to accept let stuck know and if not that is ok too
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:47 AM   #72
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I'm gonna claim

I'm gossip with info on Gad

I'd like to whisper with Gad to find out if my info is correct or not

If it is then we can proceed one way and if its not we can proceed a different way
Don't. whisper. That is terrible.

Jay has claimed Gossip. Cool. Share the info.

I am hard claiming Villager.

List
Jay - Gossip
House - Villager
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I won't out my other info until a time when it is necessary
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Old 06-15-2017, 10:48 AM   #74
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I will send in the request

Gad if you want to accept let stuck know and if not that is ok too
Gad DO NOT ACCEPT.
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Don't. whisper. That is terrible.

Jay has claimed Gossip. Cool. Share the info.

I am hard claiming Villager.

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House - Villager
It's not though

It can help figure out one other person (maybe) without everyone knowing
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