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05-04-2021 , 08:44 PM

#126

Eric

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You need to figure out where the detectors are.

Detectors can take any value, even 1,2,3.

No two quark threesomes can touch each other orthogonally.

Quark groups can (and will) cross box boundaries.

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05-04-2021 , 08:47 PM

#127

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Originally Posted by Onuzq

20:04. I think I recognized what you were aiming at initially which saved a lot of time when finding the first digits to put in.

Yeah, if you see what's going on, it really shortcuts the solve, as was the intention.

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05-07-2021 , 03:41 PM

#128

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Originally Posted by Eric

Here we are.

Standard sudoku rules apply.
Digits within cages must sum to the value in the top left corner of the cage, without repeating.
Digits along a diagonal indicated by an arrow must sum to the value beside the arrow. Digits may repeat along the diagonal if allowed by the other rules.

https://f-puzzles.com/?id=yjyzolm3

got it. will send a PM with some notes.

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05-07-2021 , 05:31 PM

#129

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I'm working on a kropki puzzle now.

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05-08-2021 , 03:00 PM

#130

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Originally Posted by Eric

So the 1/2/3s all have to be vertical or horizontal (the cant be L shaped) in some combo (123, 321, 231..) and these quark threesomes can cross box boundaries? So, for example, you can have a 2/3 in from another zone, and 1 coming in from another zone.

If that is right I can't see any possible solution. With no consideration of whether they are in the correct spots, I can't place the quark trios in any manner that would not result in multiple 1s or 2s or 3s in the same row or column. I think I am misunderstanding the rules.

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05-08-2021 , 04:04 PM

#131

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The 123 groups can be L-shaped. Each 1, 2, 3 is in an orthogonally connected group with exactly one of each.

They can cross zones, as you have said. One of the 3x3 boxes could have parts of three different groups.

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05-08-2021 , 05:15 PM

#132

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Originally Posted by Eric

Sorry, not a math guy.

I took orthogonally to mean linear with no diagonals, and an L shape would create a diagonal in my head. I had to look up what orthogonally meant because if I ever knew it, I forgot...lol

so, for a non math guy like me, the 123 groups can be straight line or L shaped ( which, if they have to be connected, is the only way they could connect anyway.....)correct??

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05-08-2021 , 06:15 PM

#133

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That's right. Straight lines or Ls which don't touch any other group on a side. They are allowed to touch other groups at a corner.

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05-08-2021 , 06:49 PM

#134

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The 2 doesn't have to be in the middle does it? I'm still struggling with how to start this one.

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05-08-2021 , 07:24 PM

#135

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The 2 doesn't have to be in the middle does it? I'm still struggling with how to start this one.

They can have any arrangement within their group. Although, sometimes the quark detector may influence it.

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05-08-2021 , 07:57 PM

#136

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I'm really sorry guys. Somehow, I gave you the link for an early version of the quark puzzle. Please try this one. Hint: I used colouring to set and test.

https://f-puzzles.com/?id=yeq4etyk

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05-08-2021 , 09:11 PM

#137

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If you are sick of the quark puzzle, here is a kropki puzzle. I'm on my tablet, so I don't have pictures.

In the puzzle, a black dot means the values in the cells on either side have a 2:1 ratio in either order.

A white dot means the two cells have consecutive values, again in either order.

Not all dots are given, so lack of a dot between cells means nothing.

https://f-puzzles.com/?id=yh42u3aa

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05-08-2021 , 11:03 PM

#138

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14:53 time on it.

Spoiler:

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05-09-2021 , 02:25 PM

#139

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Did the kropki. Sent some notes by PM

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05-09-2021 , 04:12 PM

#140

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Can't do pics right now, but this link https://f-puzzles.com/?id=yen5u2zg takes you to a grid where the yellow and green groups show good touching, and the red and blue groups show bad touching.

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05-09-2021 , 04:24 PM

#141

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Originally Posted by Eric

Can't do pics right now, but this link https://f-puzzles.com/?id=yen5u2zg takes you to a grid where the yellow and green groups show good touching, and the red and blue groups show bad touching.

Thx Eric. perfect!!!!

For anyone not following the good touching/bad touching (lol) this is about the quark puzzle in post 136. (Full instructions in post 122).

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05-10-2021 , 10:46 AM

#142

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Originally Posted by Eric

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05-10-2021 , 10:51 AM

#143

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I'm really sorry guys. Somehow, I gave you the link for an early version of the quark puzzle. Please try this one. Hint: I used colouring to set and test.

https://f-puzzles.com/?id=yeq4etyk

And here is the picture of allowed contact (yellow/green) and not allowed contact (red/blue) between quark groups.

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05-11-2021 , 01:22 AM

#144

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The quark one was very fun to do...

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05-11-2021 , 01:11 PM

#145

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It's possible that the quark puzzle is broken. It will take me a while to check/fix.

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05-12-2021 , 11:49 AM

#146

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If anyone is still willing to test this one, I have an updated quark puzzle. The detector rule is now that exactly two of the 4s in the grid (not necessarily the given 4s) are detectors. Other digits may or may not reflect the quarks around them. I have also provided an extra given digit.

https://f-puzzles.com/?id=yfdkadgl

Thanks for your help so far.

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05-12-2021 , 03:05 PM

#147

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done. I still think there are multiple solutions to this one as well (at least for the allocation of 123s within the quarks). Will PM two screenshots..

Note: I think 123s will always be interchangeable unless you have one or more as a quark detector. No?

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05-12-2021 , 04:21 PM

#148

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Not both can work.

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05-13-2021 , 11:57 AM

#149

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Originally Posted by Eric

I'm really sorry guys. Somehow, I gave you the link for an early version of the quark puzzle. Please try this one. Hint: I used colouring to set and test.

https://f-puzzles.com/?id=yeq4etyk

I finally solved this, in 35 mins. I think adding the 4s were necessary.

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Thanks for your help so far.

Adding the 5 and the "exactly two of the 4s are detectors" rule wasn't necessary. I solved with the link in the 1st post above.