Now you are just outright lying. You can never kill me if you are the wolf because it puts a huge sign on your back. There is a reason why I'm alive and there is a reason why AceRimmer is alive and FLATtheNutz is dead.

You wanted an allie.

Here he says that if discovered comes back villager, he would lynch me next, so your naturally going to keep him alive and me as well. This proves you are the wolf.

Here I flat the nuts was onto you and if you kept him alive, it would have been much easier for Flat and Rimmer to point the finger at you. Its why you killed Flat the nuts instead of Rimmer. You had to, it was your only chance of winning.

Once again, late in the day, Rimmer repeated his notion that he would vote for me today, so you obviously kept both of us alive so you can get the win.

mcavoy-

if you are somehow a villager here, I'm disappointed in the lack of effort you put into this game.

Don't worry, the rest of the village won't be disappointed when I convince Rimmer that you are the last wolf. It doesn't matter how we get there, as long as we get there and win.

mcavoy no matter how much of a sign it would put on my back, i'd be in a f3 with two new players.

you've seen my wolf game.

do you not think it would be extremely easy for me to spin that NK around so that it didn't indict me?

do you not think that i'd be able to rant and bitch my way into a win?

I GUARANTEEthat if I were the wolf, i would have killed you.

you are making things up because acerimmer doesn't get the dynamic between the two of us.

I don't actually know why you killed flatthenuts; I've been on him all game and I've stated before that I didn't plan on voting acerimmer. But I can guess that your strategy starting at f5 was to lynch discovered (always an easy mislynch, you know that; acerimmer go look back on birdman10687's games to see how easily he gets mislynched) and then to trap me in a f3.

the rest of the village is outside hoping that acerimmer sees through your obvious wolf game

let me ask you something-

you've admitted many times that I read you well. I don't think i've ever misread you in the games we've played (maybe one here and there, but it's rare). I don't think I've EVER called you a wolf when I'm a wolf (I always clear you, because you're a powerful ally to have as a wolf). Do you think it's more likely that:

a. I read you right in this game, and you are a wolf

b. I decided to forfeit that relationship I had with you as w/v, probably incurring your wrath, JUST SO THAT I COULD MAKE THIS SINGLE ARGUMENT IF IT CAME DOWN TO F3?

I mean, seriously? It doesn't make any sense why I would do that.

I see what you are doing here. Your trying to pretend that you think that Rimmer could potentially be the wolf here. However its transparent and I see right through it. I'm hoping that Rimmer does as well.

The reality is, a wolf Rimmer would never keep the two strongest players alive, so he can never be the wolf here. Its basic math.

But nice try, trying to win brownie points by going with the playing dumb card.

**** DEAD *****

GL VILLAGE!!!

****DEAD*****

Alright so I thought mcavoy was a better wolf than this...but

These are four of his first posts this game:

This is like wolfing 101. Accuse new accounts of being gimmicks, because it

1. allows you to look helpful and like you're wolfhunting
2. carries none of the actual risks of wolfhunting (like having an experienced player call you out)

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59...n-idol-543659/

This is my first wolf game. Notice how I do the exact same thing mcavoy does here. It's such an obvious wolf tell that I don't see how he did it this game. I know that you may not know this, but trust me; I'm not lying to you. Wolves do this all the time.

I'm not pretending anything. I know you're the wolf. I just wanted to say that in the <1% chance that you're a villager- (which I know can't be true, because my arguments are making 100% logical sense and you're just not listening to them); I don't think this has been your best villager game.

This is such a lie and you know it. The way EOD went down yesterday, if I was mislynched, it would have been lolobvious that you are the last wolf. My dying words would have been pointing the finger at you.

Here was a late post from yesterday by me. If I'm dead today, and its you, Rimmer and Flat, you are so not winning. My death and coming up villager implicates you.

Secondly, even at EOD yesterday, you are still calling Flat wolfy, but you refuse to vote him and you knew that you couldn't keep him alive today otherwise its a loss for you.

zomg

SHROOP

You just admitted I am the villager.

Acerimmer,

bsball just admitted that I'm a villager.


yaay

gg we win

What's the matter, cat got your tongue? I'd like to see how you try to wiggle out of this one.

Think on it good and make sure you come up with a good story.

Reason Why Mcavoy is the wolf: His complete 180 on me:


gives me an early villager lean

this is after my CFD on jominic (note he still has a village lean on me THEN, but NOW he's using it to try and mislynch me). mcavoy, you messed up here.

does this look like something you'd say to someone that you were suspicious of being a wolf? no.

still has a villager lean on me

Asking me to do work, I really doubt a villager would ask one of his prime wolf suspects to do something like this

BINGO BANGO. This one word mistake by mcavoy is the clincher.

"ARE YOU TRYING TO GET YOURSELF MISLYNCHED?"

MCAVOY KNOWS I'M A VILLAGER. Game over.

this was yesterday, when he realized that I was going to probably have to be the second mislynch to ensure his win. He digs up a case on me, then presents it.

But this is after he presented that case! Does this look like the way a villager talks to a wolf suspect? NO...it looks like he forgot that he was supposed to be suspicious of me?

I've already answered this multiple times, and the fact that this is one of the only me=wolf points that you keep holding on to is extremely wolfy.

lol. I may have not played the best game, but I'm going to win it for the village.

Ace, ask me any questions you want (I hope you ask mcavoy too. I am confident that you will make the right choice. Please read everything we both have presented.


McAvoy

are you really that bad at grammar?

read it again and tell me if you still think that

you are lying through your teeth. Every single person on POG that is reading this knows that I kill you if I'm the last wolf.

Rimmer,

Take your time, there is no rush. If you look back at everything bsb has done this game, its exactly how a wolf would play it. A villager makes reads and sticks with them. I've done that. bsb has done things on every important day to wreak havoc and get people mislynched. That is wolfing 101. He started it on d1 with saving LuckyDevil who he knew was a villager and would have to be mislynched.

Then yesterday was the first day that we had to lynch someone that wasn't peeked and what does he do, he spends the 2 days before it talking about how wolfy I Flat the Nuts is, but he doesn't push for his wagon. During this whole time period, he was also calling birdman a villager, but yesterday he says that birdman and me could only be the wolves left. Well he knew that he had to cast doubt on both of us, why he changed his opinion of birdman.

Plus, he just admitted that I am a villager. I'm going to vote now because to me, its lolobvious that he is the wolf because I can never you see putting yourself in this position. He is the only choice for wolf left after he admitted I am a villager.

bsballer

just in case ace doesn't see this; I said

IF you are a villager- (random stuff in parenthesis); this hasn't been your best villager game.

I did NOT say

this hasn't been your best villager game.

nice try though.

ummmm

I don't see no IF in this post.



You slipped up, and lost the game for yourself. You have no one to blame but yourself.

I know you are sitting at your computer laughing at the idiocy of this argument.

If there is one person that I've ever played WW with that switches his reads around a **** ton as a villager, it's you.

Ace you should be insulted by the fact that he actually thinks you will believe that wolves switch their reads around more than villagers.

Go to the sticky. read wolfing strategy. read villager strategy. hell, read old games. do you know what the consensus is going to be?

wolves stick to their reads (because faking updated reads is hard), villagers switch.

villagers switch all the time, because they are playing a game of imperfect information and have to adjust whenever they learn something new.

You can tell TL and Luckay you are sorry for blowing it cuz you probably would have won had you not made this mistake.

I said

"IN THE >1% chance you are a villager (random stuff in parenthesis), this hasn't been your best villager game"

what the **** is hard to understand about that

see here's how you should be 100% sure mcavoy is the wolf.

he's trying to get me mislynched on a typo THAT ISN'T EVEN A TYPO. he has realized he has no solid factual case on which i'm the wolf (i've refuted everything he has said)

and he is now reverting to personal attacks "typos".

this should sum up my actions regarding yesterday and today.

now I'm starting to realize just how big of a deal it was that discovered was lynched yesterday instead of mcavoy

im going to run some errands/go to the gym

leave your questions here and i'll answer them when I get back