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09-29-2009 , 08:02 PM
***NIGHT***

i'm going home from the library now, PM me changes. Reveal when I get home (hopefully not too long)
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09-29-2009 , 08:27 PM
The Other with the uncanny ability not to age was lynched by a mob.



essedarius, you are Richard Alpert. You are an angel. However, having people on the island constantly move around in time around you has left you partially confused. Therefore, your protection will only work half the time. You make up the primary wolf team. You have 24 hour chat starting now. You may submit one group kill each night that cannot be role blocked as long as there is more than one of you alive. You win if you achieve parity with the non wolves in the game.

Night actions by midnight please.
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09-29-2009 , 11:35 PM
The neutral and the Other saw each other from afar. Each knew what the other was after. The Other managed to avoid several rifle bursts coming from Keamy's rifle, but it became more difficult to avoid fire as he grew closer. He pulled a thin silver knife from his shirt, and fired it with perfect precision. At that moment, he caught a rifle blast in the chest. His aim was true, however. The hilt of his knife buried itself deep into the neutral's chest.

They both fell to the sand, dead.



housenuts, you are Martin Keamy. You are a ruthless mercenary that will stop at nothing to find Benjamin Linus. It follows, therefore, that your power increases exponentially if he is eliminated. You are a seer once Benjamin Linus is dead.



legend42, you are Jacob. You are a seer. Each night, you may send me one player whose role you would like revealed to you. You make up the primary wolf team. You have 24 hour chat starting now. You may submit one group kill each night that cannot be role blocked as long as there is more than one of you alive. You win if you achieve parity with the non wolves in the game.

The neutrals had been eliminated from the island. It was down to the crash survivors and the Others.

It is day
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09-29-2009 , 11:36 PM
Player List
aceofspades
atakdog
g1982
grape0102
jdalla
jonnyd
metsandfinsfan
pointertovoid
tjt11
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09-30-2009 , 12:00 AM
***DEAD***
great game.
that was fun.
sucks to be dead
**********
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09-30-2009 , 12:04 AM
niccccccceeeeeeeee
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09-30-2009 , 12:08 AM
lol wow.

That solves some problems. Legend was acting uber-weird yesterday, but I don't know that we'd ever have gotten housenuts.
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09-30-2009 , 12:10 AM
I know it's been posted before, but I forget: based on the show (ignoring balance issues, which may have been sacrificed in creating the game), how many wolves are likely to be left?
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09-30-2009 , 12:11 AM
Wow what a sick night.

I'm sitting in traffic so I'll be home in a bit to do some wolfhunting
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09-30-2009 , 12:21 AM
aceofspades
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09-30-2009 , 12:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by housenuts
just did another reread. i can't handle this. i'd say i trust the analysis/gameplay of those voting for mets more than i do for those on esse, but i definitely have more of a village read for those people voting esse.
jdalla = village, i've thought tjt has been village all game, jonny is too absurd to not be village or neutral, and well mets is mets. i just can't see this side being a wolf team trying to push the vote on to someone else. quite possibly only 1 wolf remaining though.

i gotta switch.

esse
Key post of the game, at one minute before eod — not because it tells us anything, but because its the one that did mets in — and legend, in effect. Weird that he made his :00 "oh gawd" post, but pretty clear what was happening in his head now.

Since house never became a seer (I think?), we really can't read a lot into his reads: I'm not even sure whom he would have wanted to wagon. I think his goal was to get clear, which he was doing a decent job of.

With legend voting esse, there's at least some indication wolves were willing to do it, but it's pretty unlikely unless they thought he was safe (hence how wolfy legend's late voting was). I will write up the evolution of the wagons; I'll bet we can almost rule out a few people.
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09-30-2009 , 12:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by atakdog
Key post of the game, at one minute before eod — not because it tells us anything, but because its the one that did mets esse in — and legend, in effect. Weird that he made his :00 "oh gawd" post, but pretty clear what was happening in his head now.
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09-30-2009 , 12:26 AM
So the Wolves kill the neutral seer, and the neutral seer kills the wolf seer.

Life is good.
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09-30-2009 , 12:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TJT11
So the Wolves kill the neutral seer, and the neutral seer kills the wolf seer.

Life is good.
You missed the part where it all seems to arise out of the wolf seer having put the killing vote on the wolf angel.
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09-30-2009 , 12:37 AM
You're right I did miss that. I'll read more indepth at work tomorrow. I'm going to bed.
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09-30-2009 , 12:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by atakdog
Key post of the game, at one minute before eod — not because it tells us anything, but because its the one that did mets in — and legend, in effect. Weird that he made his :00 "oh gawd" post, but pretty clear what was happening in his head now.

Since house never became a seer (I think?), we really can't read a lot into his reads: I'm not even sure whom he would have wanted to wagon. I think his goal was to get clear, which he was doing a decent job of.

With legend voting esse, there's at least some indication wolves were willing to do it, but it's pretty unlikely unless they thought he was safe (hence how wolfy legend's late voting was). I will write up the evolution of the wagons; I'll bet we can almost rule out a few people.
house was definitely seer, ben died the night of the deal with the wolves if i recall correctly.
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09-30-2009 , 12:57 AM
Important posts from yesterday, through 4900:
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonnyd
oops totally forgot about esse in my breakdown

add him in with mets and tjt

esse, mets, tjt are my lynch order today.
This was after a long multiquote regarding the TGF lynch. I cross-posted asking him why he didn't include esse i his lynch order, with this post.

Obviously putting esse right there in a his lynch list is good. Still weird that he would forget a key player, and it's consistent with esse being the only fellow wolf (about whom he wouldn't be thinking about providing a read) that he was quoting, but I admit this is a weird stretch.


Quote:
Originally Posted by legend42
It would be sick if mets and TJT are w/w here. And even more tragic if they're v/v. mets has pushed TJT every day for a week. After d2, the wagon never gets going, we wind up lynching someone else. And then the next day like clockwork, mets gets on TJT again.

I think we're going to have to decide between the two soon. And TJT is still a major neutral candidate, so obv v/n and w/n are also highly possible. Has anyone thought about mets as neutral?
QFhmm. Seems to be starting a mets wagon, or at least not going to be opposed to it.


Quote:
Originally Posted by JDalla
Mets- given how this game has progressed with regard to TJT and other things, I feel like mets is a pretty good vote. But I have another reason to think he might be a villager. Bah!

Legend42 - seems very villagery and logical in all the posts that I remember from him. Really feels wrong to vote him.

...

Suitable wagons today:
Esse
AoS
Pointer
Mets
He follows this up soon, as we'll see in a bit.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jonnyd
lol like ive been saying i didnt go on the rant to clear myself. i was genuinely pissed.


at the risk of putting a hold on the whole tjt/mets debate (i think theres still more to be dug up/more that we can find out after another day or so) i think that esse is still the most suspicious and im going to vote for him.

i realize his D2 voting is villagery- but if there is a wolf seer out there, which a bunch of people think so, then it makes sense to do some sort of clearing action early (which people can keep bringing up). also this was with 10 minutes left so how hard is it to tell him to park on birdman which will look clearing but then later tell people to jump on fcbl but have him parked?

thats my theory.

esse
And the wagon starts. (I didn't quote the jonny stuff about mets from earlier, because it was on an earlier page, but for the record jonny vasically started that one too.)

Almost simulatenously:
Quote:
Originally Posted by JDalla
Esse
Quote:
Originally Posted by AceofSpades
i like an esse wagon as well
Quote:
Originally Posted by housenuts
let's just get this wagon rolling and see what happens. wasn't particularly pleased with voting gf eod last night, but it worked out well. i think lots of confusion has happened because all game it's been cfd, or late voting in general. votes need to get out earlier so better discussion can ensue during the day.

esse
And now it's 3/0 esse/mets.

Then:
Quote:
Originally Posted by AceofSpades
i also like a mets wagon
2/1. Odd switch.

Quote:
Originally Posted by PointerToVoid
I just reread all of esse's posts. There really does not seem to be much to go off of. His early post were all fluff. The most I could pick up on was him somewhat going after lucky several times. I kind of got the feeling he was trying to get someone else to do the fighting for him against lucky.
Pretty equivocal, but seems not against an esse wagon

Quote:
Originally Posted by TJT11
atakdog

would also be down for a pointer or grape wagon
Staying out of the whole thing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
AceofSpades
Same — no esse vote. I forget what mets had been saying about esse.

That's that page. I probably won't get through them all tonight, but this is one one of the things we have to do. We have to assume that at this stage losing esse was a major blow that they'd have tried to avoid.
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09-30-2009 , 12:59 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AceofSpades
house was definitely seer, ben died the night of the deal with the wolves if i recall correctly.
OK. I haven't been paying attention to names.

Still not sure what house's objective regarding others would have been — probably cast suspicion on vulnerable players, I guess, but his biggest worry would have been getting/staying clear imo.
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09-30-2009 , 01:10 AM
The next page (trying out 50 posts/page) is odd. A lot of it is esse and mets fighting, which isn't odd — what's odd is that esse seems to have picked the fight out of thin air. Mets made a longish post "analyzing" esse, but came to no conclusions, and esse went off on him as if mets and been trying to wagon him, which sure doesn't look true at that stage. It escalates and eventually mets puts a vote on esse, but esse really seems to have wanted this fight.

I'll quote a few, but you have to read it yourself to get the feel of it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by essedarius
Wauw, what a forced and wolfy case. You edited the 5th post way out of context to make it look bad for me. I'm not even sure why you quoted posts 1, 2 & 4 because they're irrelevant, but I guess you wanted it to seem like you read most of my posts or something.

And why I voted for Pointer over GF was because I didn't think it mattered, I thought they both were likely wolves and JDalla was on Pointer at the moment I had to go.

metsandfinsfan, too much bull****.
Vote is now 3/1


Quote:
Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
congrats esse, youve made more posts today than you did all of yesterday

im asking you questions because again, i never called you a wolf. you decided to make this me against you and im not sure why.



please show me how i spurted out a bunch of bull****. Or called you a wolf.

pretty please

your overreaction to all of this is making me think you are a wolf by the way
Highlighted is true at that point.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TJT11
villa on villa violence imo.

Atak, pointer, grape should be our 3 targets
Deflecting?

Quote:
Originally Posted by atakdog
The current dynamic feels off to me.

I need my coffee before I assess; meanwhile:
  1. Mets, why does it seem you've changed gears?
  2. esse, why the sudden flurry of activity?
For the record.

Quote:
Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
this is the closest thing to a seer peek i found

which makes esse look like the best candidate

if he had peeked esse and gf, he surely wouldve come out, esp since he says we are looking for 2-3 wolves left

it also would explain why the wolves killed him

i dont see any clear village peeks
[quoting globe]

Now mets starts hitting esse.
Quote:
Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
Aces and Esse are probably both wolves
Quote:
Originally Posted by TJT11
convinced.

esse
Quote:
Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan
esse

be back in a bit
After these, it's 3/3.

On to the next page.
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09-30-2009 , 01:11 AM
Corrections to the vote counts I listed above:

It's 3/2 after esse's votes.

Mets's and TJT's votes later take it to 5/2.
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09-30-2009 , 01:27 AM
... and it turns out I missed a mets vote from G in there too.

I'm screwing this up; I'm going to pick it up tomorrow.
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09-30-2009 , 01:58 AM
holy moly, legend and housenuts are sick wolves! sick run good for the village that they shot each other... I'll bet they both hit globe yesterday (having peeked him.)

Jonnyd is looking pretty clear right now too.
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09-30-2009 , 02:06 AM
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09-30-2009 , 02:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JDalla
not sure if there should be a 3 point gap between mets and Aos/Pointer.

Also, I haven't examined anything closely this is just on first glance. Awaiting some strong analysis to reprint the wolf point chart in a more accurate manner hopefully.
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09-30-2009 , 02:51 AM
Holy cow. Housenuts and legend, that was incredible. Kudos for fooling us for so long!


-__- That just got me wolf points, didn't it? Atak, I read all your posts on me, and a lot of it is correct, I'm a terrible player who doesn't really have that much interest or time to devote to this thread.

Bsball is not my boyfriend, for the record. We're just friends.

With that said, I know that if my side wins, I win, even if it means sacrificing myself. And a lot of you pointed out that I would never get night-killed because it would be a waste, since I have contributed nothing of real substance and haven't really been a help at all in this game.

I can offer you this, however: lynching me would be a waste. I am willing to die, and I wouldn't mind if I got lynched, honestly. However, if my purpose is to help my fellow villas win, the only thing I can do to help (since I suck at reads) is to tell you NOT to kill me. You'd be wasting a valuable opportunity to go after a real wolf.

As for my not defending myself, or not voting yesterday, I apologize. In terms of the call-out on my not seeing that BBB had been an outed wolf, yes, that really was just my ignorance. The read I provided on him WAS forced because people (legend, actually haha) were asking me to prove that I was a villa, therefore I went back and read only his comments on that page, and made up some reason as to why he might have been a wolf. If I hadn't been too lazy, I would have gone back and realized he was an outed wolf. That's my mistake.

I'm ready for this whole game to be over, so lynch me if you must, but I'm telling you it would be a waste, and when you see my role, you'll know I was telling the truth the whole time. Sorry I can't be of more help as of now.
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