wrong

fyp

Also a well balanced game can end up as a massacre and a terribly designed game can end up in an epic f3.

I try and measure the lolz I had I a game rather than its balancedness. Balance is one of the parameters that can make a game fun, but it is only one of the several.

I beg to differ

You all seem to be hideously results orientated

ladies and gentlemen we have BASaint in the left corner, 2.5 years on 2+2, an experienced spades player and a round headed buffoon and he will be facing lovely TimeLady, she is in the right corner, is 3 months younger of 2+2 age, has almost 4x his posts and her previous opponents have described the power of her punch "As if I was hit by a ****ing planet"

place your bets

i'd like it if luckay could take a definitive look so you can all stop kidding urselves.

someone make it happen

edit: when i say all, i specifically mean atak and TL

luckay gonna need a complete list of roles, preferably with flavor cut out for readability.

I was planning on trying to get Luckay to play to show SEers the true definition of FPS

busto roles were told they are legit:

village:

reverse (wolf peeks village & vice versa) seer
odd/even seers
odd/even angels
odd/even 'passer' vigs who can grant a vig to a player of their choosing on their respective days
poisoner
2 healers
2 masons
odd night vig
JOAT (vig, angel, RB, seer) 1 action/night only, 1 use on the actions
bodyguard
a busto roleblocker
a busto every day vig once he gets to d5
1 lost wolf (needed to be peeked to convert to wolf team, didnt know he was a lost wolf. wolf vig or NK kills him)
12 vanillas

wolves:

even night vig starting n2
a busto odd night vig
a busto JOAT (vig, RB, peek, angel)
a busto tracker (gets 1 special crosby peek/night, has to find crosby to get every day vig, that role does in fact not exist)
odd/even RBs
odd/even seers
+2 voter
0 voter
bodyguard
poisoner
team NK
note: we were also granted a busto peek as an event prize

neutrals:

team consisted of 3 players who all have a 50% chance of returning villager when peeked. have 3 team powers each used once per day: day vig, RB and seer. their goal is to eliminate 3 wolves and 4 villagers.

no ITAs, but there were day events.

edit: yes i said i was done here but im not having TL talk down to me and the rest of the SE WWers like we're monkeys who cant possibly understand the finer points of game balance and are just over-reacting because the wolf team which i was a part of got owned. lol to suggest that when you dont even know the role list.

Who said I didn't know the role list?

You don't have to play in a game to read it

lol you technically had 2 RBers. Stong.

And 2.5 kills

Interesting.

I obviously don't like the "you have this role...lol jk" roles, but it's SE, you play for fun

I wasn't talking down to you. Just from what I read post game it seemed like everyone was berating in places where they were wrong. It wasn't balanced, but it wasn't hideously unbalance omg lynch 72

I would argue that most poggers don't know how to balance a game fwiw.

neutrals are OP, but neutrals I always err on OPing. Maybe not that much, maybe just having one of them be a godfather and that's it, the 50% thing is ridic especially when they didn't reveal as such (if they did I would have much less issue with it)

lol, I must read the game

luckay and assani on a team would make for the best game of all time

If the 2 masons are 2 mason pairs then that's bad too but from what I recall it was just one mason pair

Village roles that are pro wolf: reverse seer, most vigs (unless they run hot), lost wolf (were the wolves informed there was a lost wolf?)

edit: wolves had the only voting power too. that's reasonably strong.

role list has not been published in a concise manner since the game ended, you want me to believe you kept track of every role as they died?

lets not kid each other.

anyway, if someone who knows him could get mr luck to take a look that would be grand.

you're talking to me as if I have a life outside 2p2

I flicked through and jotted down the PRs and number of vanillas when people complained. I was gonna give 27 feedback, but chips said everything I wanted to.

welcome to pog

woalves dont forget that a full villa seer got a lol modkill

i do agree that the neutrals were too pro-villa. they had a ton of power and needed to take out a quarter of the wolf team to win.

I would argue that CDL is the best game balancer on POG.

Possibly folowed by bsball and Chips

An insane seer is provilla if his role reveal shows he is insane, because his peeks can be reversed ftw

It is the random, naive (all peek a villa) and paranoid seers (all peek as wolf) that are prowolf

I suppose, but it's one of those things. If an insane seer claims with a wolf peek, it's like a free mislynch for the wolves.

But yes, it's not as pro wolf as the other random ones

Well I guess that settles it then

lol, you were so over the line, and you know it. Every other mod in SE would have banned you on the spot.

Hmm.. that's not really true.

If he claims with a wolf you should see a legitimate villager trying to fight it and almost always lynch outside the claim.

kinda depends on the wolf

vanilla - yes
vig - lolno