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Old 05-01-2009, 06:50 PM   #901
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9pm EOD)

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This comment feels weird to me. I would have thought that villager strategy was pretty obvious. Wolfy post.
It's not obvious if you haven't done it before. My first game I had all the information, so my strategy/purpose isn't so much to try to discover people, but to confuse them. Now I actually have to read people's posts and try to figure out their motivations for saying the things they do. It's completely different.
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Old 05-01-2009, 06:52 PM   #902
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cadeus just came out of left field with no posting history to defend goofy (who myself, gtpitch, bitchibii, and two others think looks wolfish) without any logic behind it. then he gives a terrible jusitifcation for voting brian.

i think this is super super worthy of more investigation before voting. we have 2 more hours ppl come on. brian is really good and would help a **** load as a villager, and i dont think he can do much more harm if he is a wolf given the wagons we have set up anyway.

also, corsakh as a train? really? maybe the most villa player so far besides stark or WiR.

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will be looking back at the thread as updates go on tho
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Old 05-01-2009, 06:53 PM   #903
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i just realized i mispelled his name completely.

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not caedus9.

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Old 05-01-2009, 06:56 PM   #904
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Just got the comp back! Doing some reading now. It looks like we're going to have 3 wagons which is solid despite the fact that I dont like the Nightwood one and I feel like I have to avoid the Brian one for other game reasons.

Also in two wagon races I think it makes sense to give cover to the RR by potentially bussing a run away wagon choice at EOD if the second place is no where close. This prob only works in theory as EOD is always a **** show. How we gonna do this w/ 3 way wagons, is it even worth it?

I'm going to reread JumBo & JF now but can someone give me a gist of why JF is better than JumBo? They both seem to have the same tendencies and I think id prefer to have JF around if he is the wolf hunter he says he is.
i agree we need to narrow wagons to 2, b/c right now were setting up wolfs to have a really easy day 3 if they can just split votes again. i agree that JF would be good to have around as a villa, but on the flip side i would hate to have him here if he was covering wolves b/c he is doing a good job so far of explaining his thought processes and that can either be really good or really bad for the village given that he is prob good at manipulating.

i def dont think JF is a good lynch tonight tho.
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Old 05-01-2009, 06:56 PM   #905
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cadeus just came out of left field with no posting history to defend goofy (who myself, gtpitch, bitchibii, and two others think looks wolfish) without any logic behind it. then he gives a terrible jusitifcation for voting brian.

i think this is super super worthy of more investigation before voting. we have 2 more hours ppl come on. brian is really good and would help a **** load as a villager, and i dont think he can do much more harm if he is a wolf given the wagons we have set up anyway.

also, corsakh as a train? really? maybe the most villa player so far besides stark or WiR.

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will be looking back at the thread as updates go on tho

I have not voted Brian yet, nor will I do so today, I did say we need to keep an eye on him

@ bitchi: Jack is not a revenge vote, I had him listed as wolf suspect my first post this day
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Old 05-01-2009, 07:22 PM   #906
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It's not obvious if you haven't done it before. My first game I had all the information, so my strategy/purpose isn't so much to try to discover people, but to confuse them. Now I actually have to read people's posts and try to figure out their motivations for saying the things they do. It's completely different.
Fair enough. Didnt think of it that way as I have been villa both times.
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Old 05-01-2009, 07:25 PM   #907
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Malgin can you please post a list saying who you think is wolfy/ villagery and why.
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Old 05-01-2009, 07:33 PM   #908
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Fair enough. Didnt think of it that way as I have been villa both times.
Yeah, that was a very reasonable/villagery response from goofy, and I'll be willing to reconsider you, if you post some constructive material goofy.

Which of the people being wagoned today do you like best slink? personally I hate the Brain wagon as he posts so much and in such detail I'm sure he's incapable of pulling that off as a wolf, and as for Jack- him being so aggressive and arrogant (vs caedus) makes me lean villa on him.
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Old 05-01-2009, 07:40 PM   #909
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As for night, I've played quite alot of turbos with him. And that is just the sort of way he acts as villa, quite wolfy and bad under pressure- an easy mislynch, in fact in one of his first turbos as villa Night flat out refused to defend himself.

So that being said, aorn I like jack>Brian>Night, but the truth is I don't like either of them.
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Old 05-01-2009, 07:41 PM   #910
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As for night, I've played quite alot of turbos with him. And that is just the sort of way he acts as villa, quite wolfy and bad under pressure- an easy mislynch, in fact in one of his first turbos as villa Night flat out refused to defend himself.

So that being said, aorn I like jack>Brian>Night, but the truth is I don't like either of them.
Oh I forgot to mention, I played one with Night as wolf, and all he did was ask questions and defend himseld. He never did the aggressive actions he has taken in this game.
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Old 05-01-2009, 07:43 PM   #911
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As for night, I've played quite alot of turbos with him. And that is just the sort of way he acts as villa, quite wolfy and bad under pressure- an easy mislynch, in fact in one of his first turbos as villa Night flat out refused to defend himself.

So that being said, aorn I like jack>Brian>Night, but the truth is I don't like either of them.
how about jumanji?
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Old 05-01-2009, 07:51 PM   #912
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9pm EOD)

I dunno, sort of an aggressive breakdown of JumBo. Nothing villa stuck out but nothing was super wolfy even looking at it aggressively.

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Keeping experienced players for later purposes is a myth iyam. Last game I played, the most experienced wolf ran the game for the first 3/4 of the game, then the sheeps just made mistake after mistake. It was so painful to watch as a wolf, that the sheeps just were clueless. These were supposedly "experienced" players too making these mistakes.

Cliffnotes: Experienced wolf owned Experienced sheeps at first 3/4 of game.

Then noob wolves owned experienced sheeps the rest.
Who was the experienced player that was the wolf? Are any of your noob wolf friends in this game? I like this post as a fyi for the villa but dont know if I like it from you as you only have one game of experience as a wolf it seems. Post basically says -- be careful of following logical experienced players early as they can be wolves but on the other hand experienced villas can also be going along with those wolves and the difference is they're just making mistakes. How do you tell who the tricky wolf is vs the villa when theyre both going after the same person. Seems like you acknowledge and like the confusion in roles of early day votes.

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how's someone that's new going to help us in the end anyway? I've seen this kind of post from wolves several times. If I'm wrong, then it's just a newer player gone!
Several times? How many long games D1s have you played and seen this kind of post and they turned out to be a wolf?

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Last game, I remember several posts similar from wolves that Jobeen made. Regardless, this is a rookie game and I contradicted myself. Really though dnky, with the way you played last game, I'm not sure you should be starting wagons. Call that no substance or w/e, but it's the truth.
Ok so youve played one game and saw several posts of wolves doing this. Why wouldnt you want to go with your gut then on D1? If JumBo is wolf Jobean looks bad for his vote/unvote retraction.

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Just remember how awful the early game was last time and who were the players starting and pushing wagons. It was wolves starting wagons that were successful because a couple of villas were so stubborn on their own "reads".
You need more experience, D1 is always a cluster**** but sometimes it works great for villas and sometimes it works great for wolves. Can never really tell til much later.

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Also, if I do go down today as the villager I am, then take a look at who started the wagon, and who hopped on. Interesting that my name came on towards the EOD and has been pushed rather quickly. I'd take a look at these players in the future and vote them out.
By vote reference this is Card, Jack and Malgin. What do you feel about them now? I dont see any reason to think Card wouldnt have a reason, Jack is aggro and Malgin looked sketchy at EOD but had a reason iirc.

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At this point, since I know I'm a villa.. I'll vote anyone that has a lot of votes because there's a better chance of there's like a 6x chance that they are wolf over seer.
Giving yourself license to do stuff is wrong and will eventually bite you in the ass. Best thing you can do is try and look more villa to not give people the chance to even vote for you.

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I actually like the Nightwood wagon because he randomly came out and attacked me. I know I'm villa, and if he is wolf (which im suspecting he is), then he would certainly try to start a wagon to push out a villa.
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I'm all for the village, but I don't really have any reads so far except on nightwood. I'd rather lose someone else with a lot of votes than sac myself this early. If this person with a lot of votes was something importnat, I'm sure he'd say it rather than sit and get voted out.
I dont ever see this play being a w/w fight so there is that. Also I talked about how bad this part is earlier -- if you are a vanillager you should be fighting to stay alive no matter how many votes you have. If all that fails and youre going to go at EOD post who your suspects and cleared villas are.

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NIGHTWOOD

I told him I'd start the wagon on him today since yesterday it didn't get very far. He's been active enough to give us plenty of information in the chance (small imo) that he is a villa.

I think info on Nightwood at EOD will also help us on Corsakh, Brian and Jobeen.

Corsakh keeps changing his vote and either is clueless or is trying to cause confusion on wagons.

Nightwood defended Brian and Jobeen against people that started wagons against them on d1.

Just some thoughts.
Where/when did you tell him you'd start a wagon on him? I missed that. At least you're consistently on Nwood today instead of flopping like yesterday.

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Also, gtpitch comes off A LOT like CDL (CalledDownLight) did in the last game I played. An experienced player who ran the game for the first 3/4 as a wolf.
I dont see how GTP is running the game at the moment as he seems to be mainly on the defensive but is CDL the wolf you talked about in that first post I quoted?
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Old 05-01-2009, 07:52 PM   #913
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Same things I saw in the only game I played so far (another long game). "Leaders" swaying peoples minds that only ends up screwing the game for villagers. One of these people that are trying to act friendly that's a leader is a wolf that is leading people in the wrong direction. As a villager, anyone that votes me I have suspicions about because only the wolves know the villagers.

Currently I'm at nightwood / brian / WER in that order, but mainly Nightwood + Brian.
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Old 05-01-2009, 07:57 PM   #914
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Yes, I was talking about CDL. Some of the other players who were villas in that game are in this game too. Last game as a wolf, I think I got a good perspective of the game from a wolves point of view. If you can have an idea of what the enemy thinks about, then you're just that much closer to figuring out who's who.
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Old 05-01-2009, 07:58 PM   #915
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how about jumanji?
Haven't looked into him in depth, but Phenix's post has been enlightenling; wil post thoughts on him in a little while.

AORN I feel the two wolf utr wolf spewers should be wagoned.

Saymond (J.d.)/ A.Ertberg have not had a single villagy post afaict.
Saymond is an especially good choice as both of them have been acting wolfy.
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Old 05-01-2009, 08:04 PM   #916
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Jumanji, how many long WW games have you played?
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Old 05-01-2009, 08:04 PM   #917
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[0] A.Ertbjerg
[0] Ainex
[0] BingoBango
[0] BitchiBee voted for J.D.
[4] Brian voted for karak567
[1] Caedus(Hardball47) voted for jack frost
[0] cardassian voted for karak567
[0] chaser1942
[0] corsakh
[0] djstu voted for brian
[0] goofyballer voted for mburke05
[1] gtpitch
[1] I_Like_Beer
[0] IlyaMuromec
[2] Jack Frost voted for nightwood
[0] jobeen voted for jumanjiboard
[1] JumanjiBoard voted for nightwood
[3] Karak567 voted for brian
[1] Malgin
[1] mburke05 voted for Caedus
[0] mdom88 voted for brian
[0] Mrsbutton voted for nightwood
[3] nightwood voted for karak567
[0] O0Brian0O voted for gtpitch
[0] RiverFenix
[1] J.D.(saymond) voted for i_like_beer
[0] Slink voted for malgin
[0] starkwired voted for brian
[0] WinEvryRacex voted for jack frost

as of #915

LESS THAN 1 HOUR TILL EOD.

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Old 05-01-2009, 08:04 PM   #918
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Haven't looked into him in depth, but Phenix's post has been enlightenling; wil post thoughts on him in a little while.

AORN I feel the two wolf utr wolf spewers should be wagoned.

Saymond (J.d.)/ A.Ertberg have not had a single villagy post afaict.
Saymond is an especially good choice as both of them have been acting wolfy.
Morning all, yeah j.d.'s post was terrible imo.

beer looks clear as considering the wagons yesterday and then jd comes in with one post trying to get him wagoned again on the grounds he lied about being a villa every game. Don't see beer doing that as a woof. Wouldn't be a bad wagon today.
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Yes, WER, I'm leaning heavy on Jugamy as wolf now. Alot of his posts seem forced.


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Seems no one wants to join the Nightwood wagon for now so I'll jump off

VOTE BRIAN

I'll keep it here for now unless I hear something to change my mind.
This is an especially terrible post
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our wagons are soooo lolbad right now

is it just me or is half the village still not posting?
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Old 05-01-2009, 08:09 PM   #921
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Yeah, that was a very reasonable/villagery response from goofy, and I'll be willing to reconsider you, if you post some constructive material goofy.

Which of the people being wagoned today do you like best slink? personally I hate the Brain wagon as he posts so much and in such detail I'm sure he's incapable of pulling that off as a wolf, and as for Jack- him being so aggressive and arrogant (vs caedus) makes me lean villa on him.
I am uneasy about both wagons - feels villa vs villa but unfortunately I dont have a better one at the moment
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Old 05-01-2009, 08:09 PM   #922
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Also, if you do end up lynching me tonight (and getting villa), what do you accomplish? You wasted a whole day for nothing.

I've already said, if my wagons don't have a chance to go off, I will choose another wagon that I feel is strong and the wagon is a likely wolf in my mind. Brian was in my last game as a wolf, and even though he's seem to have been playing different, I think it's moreso because it's his second game and he's changing it up.
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Old 05-01-2009, 08:11 PM   #923
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Also, building on my last point, there are people we can wagon that will give us information on who's where.
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Also, if you do end up lynching me tonight (and getting villa), what do you accomplish? You wasted a whole day for nothing.

I've already said, if my wagons don't have a chance to go off, I will choose another wagon that I feel is strong and the wagon is a likely wolf in my mind. Brian was in my last game as a wolf, and even though he's seem to have been playing different, I think it's moreso because it's his second game and he's changing it up.
If we lynch you and you come up villa thats unfortunated. But we do so with the belief that you'll come up wolf. Instead of these weak response, post your leans please.

Also you should've played enough WW to know that lynchin gpeople for information is ******ed. I have lynched people for info, and gotten lynched for info. Nothing ever comes out of it. Slink and the people in the ssnl game should remember that a ******ed villager had a boner about lynching me in that game for information, when I died nothing came out of it.
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