ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
Also, I don't post much at the beginning because we don't have **** for information to go on at this point and I'm not into idle speculation so much as some of you seem to be.
(not that that's bad for those of you who do, I like reading others' thoughts, it's just not my style to do it myself)
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isnt this EXACTLY what im getting at? look, its my second game, but the way i see it, on d1, there are lots of ( seven ) wolves. so when people start voting, its pretty easy for the wolves to jump on and vote for people who get a few votes, ergo, villas get lynched d1, im not agruing that.
what im saying is that, the people who get 2 or 3 votes d1 are interesting, because no one jumped on them, making it more likely they were wolves?
is this not good reasoning?
isnt this EXACTLY what im getting at? look, its my second game, but the way i see it, on d1, there are lots of ( seven ) wolves. so when people start voting, its pretty easy for the wolves to jump on and vote for people who get a few votes, ergo, villas get lynched d1, im not agruing that.
what im saying is that, the people who get 2 or 3 votes d1 are interesting, because no one jumped on them, making it more likely they were wolves?
is this not good reasoning?
I don't think the wagon on me not going anywhere has anything to do with how many wolves were around. I think it has more to do with the fact that I'm villa.
In the SSNL game, he got lucky, whatever. BUT, for him to start voting me on d1 in this game when he can't have a single possible reason for doing so (unless he has a sick read that me not being available before 4pm = OBVIOUS WOLF BEHAVIOR) is quite wolfy, imo.
He's wearing ****ing blinders. He'll be zero help in finding actual wolves, just like he was zero help in posting about anybody not named goofyballer in the other game until I was lynched. The difference is that in this game, if he continues down that line, all he'll succeed in doing is mislynching a villager.
So, let's ask ourselves: why would he vote me on d1 when he couldn't possibly have a reason for doing so yet? Like I said before, I think there are two possibilities:
1. He's a wolf who thinks that he can inconspicuously try to start a wagon on me without taking responsibility for getting a villager mislynched because if it happened, he could be like "oh, oops, I was just kinda being silly because I voted for goofy every day last game and I thought it would be funny to do it this time...my bad guys." I did the same thing as a wolf in the last game to mdom (on d1 I was like "lol I pegged mdom as a wolf in the signup threads and I gotta stick with my reads"), he got lynched, and I mostly absolved myself of responsibility for a week or so. OR...
2. He's going to the do the same **** he did last game and vote for me every single day with no reasoning, and be completely unhelpful for the village. The fact that I was a wolf last game is insanely results-oriented and as poker players you should be able to look past that - like cardassian said, he had absolutely no logic for voting me for like the first 3 days he did so, and he had absolutely no logic for voting for me on d1 in this game.
He's wearing ****ing blinders. He'll be zero help in finding actual wolves, just like he was zero help in posting about anybody not named goofyballer in the other game until I was lynched. The difference is that in this game, if he continues down that line, all he'll succeed in doing is mislynching a villager.
So, let's ask ourselves: why would he vote me on d1 when he couldn't possibly have a reason for doing so yet? Like I said before, I think there are two possibilities:
1. He's a wolf who thinks that he can inconspicuously try to start a wagon on me without taking responsibility for getting a villager mislynched because if it happened, he could be like "oh, oops, I was just kinda being silly because I voted for goofy every day last game and I thought it would be funny to do it this time...my bad guys." I did the same thing as a wolf in the last game to mdom (on d1 I was like "lol I pegged mdom as a wolf in the signup threads and I gotta stick with my reads"), he got lynched, and I mostly absolved myself of responsibility for a week or so. OR...
2. He's going to the do the same **** he did last game and vote for me every single day with no reasoning, and be completely unhelpful for the village. The fact that I was a wolf last game is insanely results-oriented and as poker players you should be able to look past that - like cardassian said, he had absolutely no logic for voting me for like the first 3 days he did so, and he had absolutely no logic for voting for me on d1 in this game.
Please to find some wolves now?
I think i'm probably just posting more than I normally do.
Was actually thinking pregame how I should go more tag and not ramble so much, but got into the thread and rambled.
But you're right I should be speaking my mind more and asking questions less, was really only asking because it was your point that made me think of it.
I think Karak's actions yesterday were a bit wolfy.
His using beer's list as a reason to vote him looked like an excuse to me.
Also he defended jobeen's vote on beer and then jumped on the wagon.
This looks like a wolf defending his actions before making them imo.
So for now
Karak
Was actually thinking pregame how I should go more tag and not ramble so much, but got into the thread and rambled.
But you're right I should be speaking my mind more and asking questions less, was really only asking because it was your point that made me think of it.
I think Karak's actions yesterday were a bit wolfy.
His using beer's list as a reason to vote him looked like an excuse to me.
Also he defended jobeen's vote on beer and then jumped on the wagon.
This looks like a wolf defending his actions before making them imo.
So for now
Karak
I don't like this post. A lot of the D1 wagons are turning out to be heavy-villa lean people like beer. You are pushing for those wagons to start up again.
gtpitch could still certainly be a wolf, but im inclined to lean villa for now. however, if nightwood turns up villa, of course that will change things.
i think pushing a nightwood wagon is good for sure, but beer or gtpitch is a mistake at this point. Things could change throughout the day, though.
gtpitch could still certainly be a wolf, but im inclined to lean villa for now. however, if nightwood turns up villa, of course that will change things.
i think pushing a nightwood wagon is good for sure, but beer or gtpitch is a mistake at this point. Things could change throughout the day, though.
I don't like this post. A lot of the D1 wagons are turning out to be heavy-villa lean people like beer. You are pushing for those wagons to start up again.
gtpitch could still certainly be a wolf, but im inclined to lean villa for now. however, if nightwood turns up villa, of course that will change things.
i think pushing a nightwood wagon is good for sure, but beer or gtpitch is a mistake at this point. Things could change throughout the day, though.
gtpitch could still certainly be a wolf, but im inclined to lean villa for now. however, if nightwood turns up villa, of course that will change things.
i think pushing a nightwood wagon is good for sure, but beer or gtpitch is a mistake at this point. Things could change throughout the day, though.
what is the case for jumanji?
i like brians analysis of karak, but i sense they have some history i dont know about for some reason that is like warping brians analysis of karaks actions. i'm leaning villa on nightwood though, and i don't see how him "latching on" a d1 vote is convincing evidence. i'm supcious of goofy, and i'm suspicious of jobeen/corsakh. i would DEF not vote beer out tonihgt b/c i think he has good information, WU was a mistake but w/e lets reconcile it by not voting beer out tonight and getting good reads for the next few hrs.
also, has 00brian00 played before? b/c if he hasn't i would lean wolf immediately just b/c of how stnd a play as a wolf that would be.
this is my second game, in my first game i was an utr wolf, with jumangi actually, so hopefully i can get a read on him as the game goes on
I am here! and as Saymond said, obviously villa. I have read most of the thread and the one thing that stuck out to me is
I_Like_Beer He flat out lied about his role in a previous game. Someone called him out on it, but never went further than that, doesnt seem like something a villager would do.
I_Like_Beer He flat out lied about his role in a previous game. Someone called him out on it, but never went further than that, doesnt seem like something a villager would do.
in fact i think that him lieing about his role in a previous game makes him more villa tbh, i am like 100% that if he were some sort of power role, he would have made sure not to say something as obviously bad as that. this is TOTALLY something that ILB would be doing as a villa. this really is not close at all guys, please stop looking into ILB
Ok basically just got up and reading everything since EOD yesterday.
First I'd like to say that looking back I hate my vote on WU but there really wasn't much better. When I started writing my big long post there was only like 2 - 3 votes on him. When I saw I made like 7 or 8 it was too late... A wolf wagon wouldn't have gotten that much steam and I think some of the later votes might be wolf candidates.
I'm a little confused by the SK kill but I think it was probably mostly random and I doubt it had a lot of sound logic to it. Still... I'm not sure why kill Kesh. At any rate if he (or she) wants to take out the other 4 wolves then that'd be fine by me!
First I'd like to say that looking back I hate my vote on WU but there really wasn't much better. When I started writing my big long post there was only like 2 - 3 votes on him. When I saw I made like 7 or 8 it was too late... A wolf wagon wouldn't have gotten that much steam and I think some of the later votes might be wolf candidates.
I'm a little confused by the SK kill but I think it was probably mostly random and I doubt it had a lot of sound logic to it. Still... I'm not sure why kill Kesh. At any rate if he (or she) wants to take out the other 4 wolves then that'd be fine by me!
Honestly I was hoping we'd be villa together again, but you looked wolfy yesterday and you're still looking very wolfy today. Your contributions ITT have been pretty off...
why do you keep changing your votes for no reason? Nightwood is a good wagon today he IMO messed up bad with that post was trying hard to make it look like he had no clue you have to give these wagons time to develop EOD isn't until like 9pm tonight give it time and things will start to pan out. No one is even really posting right now
so i think we need to look mostly at the failed wagons from yesterday, and why they didnt pick up steam.
gtpitch, jumangi, night...
from the talk, i think jumangi is up in the air for me, but with gtpitch, i am thinking gtpitch and night are w/v for sure, and im actually leaning more toward gtpitch being the wolf. i know i voted him yesterday, because of gut feel, but he hasnt really shown me anything otherwise, and after his wagon picked up no steam, and he helped with the WU wagon, im still feeling him wolfy
gtpitch, jumangi, night...
from the talk, i think jumangi is up in the air for me, but with gtpitch, i am thinking gtpitch and night are w/v for sure, and im actually leaning more toward gtpitch being the wolf. i know i voted him yesterday, because of gut feel, but he hasnt really shown me anything otherwise, and after his wagon picked up no steam, and he helped with the WU wagon, im still feeling him wolfy
My re-read of kesh d1
wrt mdom and WU counter-accusing each other
I'd be suspicious of both mdom and WU if we didn't know WU was a villager. I think a post like this either has to be w-w or v-v, a v-w matchup a wolf would stay out of d1. It would attract unnessecary attention to it. So villa points to mdom
After kesh called him a wolf lean. I have a hard time believing a wolf makes a post like this, it's a very villagery sort of whine.
Most of his posts after are very much along the same lines of mine; he follows my post questioning stark with his "wolf lean", and then posts "wolf list=wolf" when beer makes his list, but before I start my attack on beer. I don't think this behavior is anything other than a wolf trying to latch onto possible wagons without raising much suspicion.
kesh disappeared after that, then showed up at EOD again:
Piggy backs on WER's logic to have a cover for staying on the WU wagon, I really don't think WER is a wolf so I think this is anything other than trying to remain low on the radar when WU turns up villa and let WER take the heat.
Overall I didn't notice any wolf-spew. The three people who kesh went after were stark, beer, and WU, and I don't how see any of them can be wolfs.
wrt mdom and WU counter-accusing each other
I'd be suspicious of both mdom and WU if we didn't know WU was a villager. I think a post like this either has to be w-w or v-v, a v-w matchup a wolf would stay out of d1. It would attract unnessecary attention to it. So villa points to mdom
Most of his posts after are very much along the same lines of mine; he follows my post questioning stark with his "wolf lean", and then posts "wolf list=wolf" when beer makes his list, but before I start my attack on beer. I don't think this behavior is anything other than a wolf trying to latch onto possible wagons without raising much suspicion.
kesh disappeared after that, then showed up at EOD again:
Overall I didn't notice any wolf-spew. The three people who kesh went after were stark, beer, and WU, and I don't how see any of them can be wolfs.
Brian, what do you think about GTP?
WER,
Really? I think I made it pretty clear why the WU vote wasn't great. I think both wagons sucked and I fault myself for looking for a better one. But I can't believe you can't see why I wish I didn't vote for WU there. I mean voting for him to wagon him with 2 votes is one thing but to be vote #7 or something means I missed something and messed it up.
Really? I think I made it pretty clear why the WU vote wasn't great. I think both wagons sucked and I fault myself for looking for a better one. But I can't believe you can't see why I wish I didn't vote for WU there. I mean voting for him to wagon him with 2 votes is one thing but to be vote #7 or something means I missed something and messed it up.
00brian, would you be against a jumanji wagon today?
WER,
Really? I think I made it pretty clear why the WU vote wasn't great. I think both wagons sucked and I fault myself for looking for a better one. But I can't believe you can't see why I wish I didn't vote for WU there. I mean voting for him to wagon him with 2 votes is one thing but to be vote #7 or something means I missed something and messed it up.
Really? I think I made it pretty clear why the WU vote wasn't great. I think both wagons sucked and I fault myself for looking for a better one. But I can't believe you can't see why I wish I didn't vote for WU there. I mean voting for him to wagon him with 2 votes is one thing but to be vote #7 or something means I missed something and messed it up.
I also agree that the wagons were likely v/v as they usually are on D1. But I think WU could provide a lot of insight and help to us later. He was not the best choice and I ****ed it up.
But I can't for the life of me see how that makes me "off"
I was talking about all of your posts.
So who would have been the best choice yesterday EOD if not WU?
Any other wolf leans other than nightwood? (Aside from night being on karak, you think he is wolfy?)
So who would have been the best choice yesterday EOD if not WU?
Any other wolf leans other than nightwood? (Aside from night being on karak, you think he is wolfy?)
The other Brian did a good analysis of him showing lots of fluff from gtpitch, and gtp's other contributions are suspicious. I don't think a wolf goes as overboard defending Karak as he has though, and I'm convinced Karak is a wolf.
People seem to be dividing the village into two camps atm, one with me stark nightwood 00brian and 1 or 2 others, and the other side Karak, gtpitch, Mrsbutton, jumanji and 1 or 2 others. I'm quite happy with my camp.
I'll trust whatever you decide on GTP though, as you are far more familiar with him than I.
People seem to be dividing the village into two camps atm, one with me stark nightwood 00brian and 1 or 2 others, and the other side Karak, gtpitch, Mrsbutton, jumanji and 1 or 2 others. I'm quite happy with my camp.
I'll trust whatever you decide on GTP though, as you are far more familiar with him than I.
since when is that a CLASSIC wolf tell? Because I won't 100 % say someone is villa or not? It would be insane and stupid of me to not rule anyone out on d2. I'm not an idiot.
I understand that my villa game comes off wolfy sometimes, but it isn't today which is why I am shocked you guys are voting for me. I'm an awful wagon and you guys are going in the absolute wrong direction. Thankfully enough of the guys that have a history playing with me (gtpitch, djstu, etc), can read me well enough to tell you that. I just hope you listen.
As for now, for the case of self-preservation as well as his late wagon jumping, I have to go nightwood Hopefully I'll be back by EOD, but please get your votes off me before you make a truly awful mistake.
The other Brian did a good analysis of him showing lots of fluff from gtpitch, and gtp's other contributions are suspicious. I don't think a wolf goes as overboard defending Karak as he has though, and I'm convinced Karak is a wolf.
People seem to be dividing the village into two camps atm, one with me stark nightwood 00brian and 1 or 2 others, and the other side Karak, gtpitch, Mrsbutton, jumanji and 1 or 2 others. I'm quite happy with my camp.
I'll trust whatever you decide on GTP though, as you are far more familiar with him than I.
People seem to be dividing the village into two camps atm, one with me stark nightwood 00brian and 1 or 2 others, and the other side Karak, gtpitch, Mrsbutton, jumanji and 1 or 2 others. I'm quite happy with my camp.
I'll trust whatever you decide on GTP though, as you are far more familiar with him than I.
That is... unless you are a wolf.
I'll have to reread. I just think we/I missed something. I wasn't around much leading up to EOD and I think it might've clouded my judgement a little.
Wolf leans right now:
nightwood (I've already made that clear)
bingobango (not very strong lean right now. I have his post at the EOD yesterday. The vote post is what stands out)
corsakh - I would've thought he would've stopped being the village idiot by this time. I mean its not his first game yet he says the same stupid **** every time.
Nothing else real strong right now.
One other thing I want to add about Karak... I jumped on Stark and night for their votes on him for no reasoning. At the time (after reading posts from d1) I really really felt like Karak was villager.
But his reactions to the votes today and his defense just don't seem right. Buttons is also a little off in the way he attaches to my reasoning above but nothing major. IIRC, he was like that the last time I played with him too only with another player (I mean this before he got subbed in as wolf)
Everyone else feels fairly villagery or at least as villager as they get. Jack of course sounds wolfy but I'm convinced he always will.
goofyballer is another one that seems strange. The pissing match with mdburke but I think that's just carryover. I hope he participates more as the game goes on. Odd that he never responded to my request to find wolves though...
The other Brian did a good analysis of him showing lots of fluff from gtpitch, and gtp's other contributions are suspicious. I don't think a wolf goes as overboard defending Karak as he has though, and I'm convinced Karak is a wolf.
People seem to be dividing the village into two camps atm, one with me stark nightwood 00brian and 1 or 2 others, and the other side Karak, gtpitch, Mrsbutton, jumanji and 1 or 2 others. I'm quite happy with my camp.
I'll trust whatever you decide on GTP though, as you are far more familiar with him than I.
People seem to be dividing the village into two camps atm, one with me stark nightwood 00brian and 1 or 2 others, and the other side Karak, gtpitch, Mrsbutton, jumanji and 1 or 2 others. I'm quite happy with my camp.
I'll trust whatever you decide on GTP though, as you are far more familiar with him than I.
time to re-read karak then...but he's looked the same as his last game so far.
Sadly I see it going in that same direction. Blinded villagers (or clever wolves) hysterically crying wolf because it's fun, rather than trying to find the real (and usually UTR) wolves. Take a look at the people not posting much, please, not those actively trying to weed out wolves.
One thing I don't get about GTP is why he is beating himself up over voting WU and saying he hates his vote now. He was pretty happy with it last night:
And Karak, it is the classic wolf tell. I'm not making that up or anything. Ask atakdog.
That's a horrible reason to vote nightwood; the wagons yesterday were V-V, so late voteswitches aren't wolfy. If anything, they are villa, because a wolf wouldn't want to draw attention to himself like that.
Originally Posted by Karak567
As for now, for the case of self-preservation as well as his late wagon jumping, I have to go nightwood Hopefully I'll be back by EOD, but please get your votes off me before you make a truly awful mistake.
My first thoughts after catching up were that todays karak-night wagons both suck. And maybe jumanji/jack wagons were the way to go.
I'll reread you now karak but im not really expecting to find anything.
I'll reread you now karak but im not really expecting to find anything.
also i'm a little nervous about the play of jack frost.
when i played with villa jack frost he came in like a squirrel on spped and flung poo at just about everyone who posted.
This game has come in trying to wagon 1-2 players and 1 of them quite hard.
Definately not playing the same game as last time.
Just a little point to remember to look into.
when i played with villa jack frost he came in like a squirrel on spped and flung poo at just about everyone who posted.
This game has come in trying to wagon 1-2 players and 1 of them quite hard.
Definately not playing the same game as last time.
Just a little point to remember to look into.
I'm all for the village, but I don't really have any reads so far except on nightwood. I'd rather lose someone else with a lot of votes than sac myself this early. If this person with a lot of votes was something importnat, I'm sure he'd say it rather than sit and get voted out.
what?
are you saying you would rather us lynch the pink ranger (idk why you guys are calling it the red ranger, the pink ranger was definitely the best power ranger) than yourself? that would be terribad for hte villa
and some other role could easily claim that they're the pink ranger before they get wagoned off so i don't see wtf you're trying to say
are you saying you would rather us lynch the pink ranger (idk why you guys are calling it the red ranger, the pink ranger was definitely the best power ranger) than yourself? that would be terribad for hte villa
and some other role could easily claim that they're the pink ranger before they get wagoned off so i don't see wtf you're trying to say
Jumanji is either a diehard wolf or a total newb and therefore of no use to the village.
I don't like the Beer vote, but then, he's not being much help either.
As always, UTR means that you pee on trees.
gtpitch smells good to me, if for no other reason than I'd like to keep his avatar around a while longer. Villa lean.
I don't like the Beer vote, but then, he's not being much help either.
As always, UTR means that you pee on trees.
gtpitch smells good to me, if for no other reason than I'd like to keep his avatar around a while longer. Villa lean.
I am here! and as Saymond said, obviously villa. I have read most of the thread and the one thing that stuck out to me is
I_Like_Beer He flat out lied about his role in a previous game. Someone called him out on it, but never went further than that, doesnt seem like something a villager would do.
I_Like_Beer He flat out lied about his role in a previous game. Someone called him out on it, but never went further than that, doesnt seem like something a villager would do.
NIGHTWOOD
I told him I'd start the wagon on him today since yesterday it didn't get very far. He's been active enough to give us plenty of information in the chance (small imo) that he is a villa.
I think info on Nightwood at EOD will also help us on Corsakh, Brian and Jobeen.
Corsakh keeps changing his vote and either is clueless or is trying to cause confusion on wagons.
Nightwood defended Brian and Jobeen against people that started wagons against them on d1.
Just some thoughts.
I told him I'd start the wagon on him today since yesterday it didn't get very far. He's been active enough to give us plenty of information in the chance (small imo) that he is a villa.
I think info on Nightwood at EOD will also help us on Corsakh, Brian and Jobeen.
Corsakh keeps changing his vote and either is clueless or is trying to cause confusion on wagons.
Nightwood defended Brian and Jobeen against people that started wagons against them on d1.
Just some thoughts.
Wait wat....brian i know it's a wolf tell and all, but we're talking about karak here....
and how is voting the other strong wagon terrible when you're being wagoned?
and how is voting the other strong wagon terrible when you're being wagoned?
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