Also, I don't post much at the beginning because we don't have **** for information to go on at this point and I'm not into idle speculation so much as some of you seem to be.

(not that that's bad for those of you who do, I like reading others' thoughts, it's just not my style to do it myself)

Its not bad reasoning at all. That's why I called it an FYI. If you feel that strongly then fine its your right to vote who you want. The thing about rookie wolves (this is a rookie game) is that they tend to make very obvious mistakes D1 and thus don't post much.

I don't think the wagon on me not going anywhere has anything to do with how many wolves were around. I think it has more to do with the fact that I'm villa.

Ok fine. Lets stop this pissing match. Its probably v\v anyway and not helping anyone.

Please to find some wolves now?

going slowly through the thread, but Karak is an absolutely terrible wagon imo

this post is making me lean wolf on you karak. its like you either didnt read my post, or are deliberately trying to avoid wagons on these guys, esp mentioning beer, since i didnt even mentioned beer, as most people are feeling villa on him, seems wolfy for sure

not only this, but gtpitch and beer both contribute decent amounts. gt in particular. i think gt villa helps us more than the scenario where hes a wolf for one day.

what is the case for jumanji?

i like brians analysis of karak, but i sense they have some history i dont know about for some reason that is like warping brians analysis of karaks actions. i'm leaning villa on nightwood though, and i don't see how him "latching on" a d1 vote is convincing evidence. i'm supcious of goofy, and i'm suspicious of jobeen/corsakh. i would DEF not vote beer out tonihgt b/c i think he has good information, WU was a mistake but w/e lets reconcile it by not voting beer out tonight and getting good reads for the next few hrs.

also, has 00brian00 played before? b/c if he hasn't i would lean wolf immediately just b/c of how stnd a play as a wolf that would be.

this is my second game, in my first game i was an utr wolf, with jumangi actually, so hopefully i can get a read on him as the game goes on

Well, looks like you're villa this game. Since you're not a wolf, can you post > 10 times this game pls?

Lol dude you played w/ both beer and kesh before. You don't really think they're w/w here, do you?

This. Mdom looking quite villagery so far, gj mdom.

Is anyone that has played in the lost WW game with you playing this game? You're looking quite wolfy atm.

What? With the terrible alternatives we had and so little posting WU was the clear choice for yesterday....Yesterday was likely v-v, why would the later votes be wolf candidates?

Honestly I was hoping we'd be villa together again, but you looked wolfy yesterday and you're still looking very wolfy today. Your contributions ITT have been pretty off...

You're kidding, right? Nightwood is not only NOT a good wagon today, but he's actually a terrible one. He messed up bad with his post?? You're kidding me right? That was a good thought out post and you're jumping on him because he "was trying hard to make it look like he had no clue"? Wtf kind of a strategy would that even be for a wolf?

You don't really think they're w-w, do you? I'd say karak is likely villa again at this point, but I don't really have a read of him. GTP knows karak gets lynched easily....

Agree.

My re-read of kesh d1

wrt mdom and WU counter-accusing each other
I'd be suspicious of both mdom and WU if we didn't know WU was a villager. I think a post like this either has to be w-w or v-v, a v-w matchup a wolf would stay out of d1. It would attract unnessecary attention to it. So villa points to mdom

After kesh called him a wolf lean. I have a hard time believing a wolf makes a post like this, it's a very villagery sort of whine.

Most of his posts after are very much along the same lines of mine; he follows my post questioning stark with his "wolf lean", and then posts "wolf list=wolf" when beer makes his list, but before I start my attack on beer. I don't think this behavior is anything other than a wolf trying to latch onto possible wagons without raising much suspicion.

kesh disappeared after that, then showed up at EOD again:

Piggy backs on WER's logic to have a cover for staying on the WU wagon, I really don't think WER is a wolf so I think this is anything other than trying to remain low on the radar when WU turns up villa and let WER take the heat.

Overall I didn't notice any wolf-spew. The three people who kesh went after were stark, beer, and WU, and I don't how see any of them can be wolfs.

Brian, what do you think about GTP?

WER,

Really? I think I made it pretty clear why the WU vote wasn't great. I think both wagons sucked and I fault myself for looking for a better one. But I can't believe you can't see why I wish I didn't vote for WU there. I mean voting for him to wagon him with 2 votes is one thing but to be vote #7 or something means I missed something and messed it up.

00brian, would you be against a jumanji wagon today?

ya

This is supposed to say "I fault myself for not looking for a better one"

I also agree that the wagons were likely v/v as they usually are on D1. But I think WU could provide a lot of insight and help to us later. He was not the best choice and I ****ed it up.

But I can't for the life of me see how that makes me "off"

I was talking about all of your posts.


So who would have been the best choice yesterday EOD if not WU?

Any other wolf leans other than nightwood? (Aside from night being on karak, you think he is wolfy?)

The other Brian did a good analysis of him showing lots of fluff from gtpitch, and gtp's other contributions are suspicious. I don't think a wolf goes as overboard defending Karak as he has though, and I'm convinced Karak is a wolf.

People seem to be dividing the village into two camps atm, one with me stark nightwood 00brian and 1 or 2 others, and the other side Karak, gtpitch, Mrsbutton, jumanji and 1 or 2 others. I'm quite happy with my camp.

I'll trust whatever you decide on GTP though, as you are far more familiar with him than I.

lolol "for now" being the CLASSIC wolf tell

since when is that a CLASSIC wolf tell? Because I won't 100 % say someone is villa or not? It would be insane and stupid of me to not rule anyone out on d2. I'm not an idiot.

I understand that my villa game comes off wolfy sometimes, but it isn't today which is why I am shocked you guys are voting for me. I'm an awful wagon and you guys are going in the absolute wrong direction. Thankfully enough of the guys that have a history playing with me (gtpitch, djstu, etc), can read me well enough to tell you that. I just hope you listen.

As for now, for the case of self-preservation as well as his late wagon jumping, I have to go nightwood Hopefully I'll be back by EOD, but please get your votes off me before you make a truly awful mistake.

You're going to feel awfully stupid if I get lynched when I turn up villa. I hope you remember this post.

That is... unless you are a wolf.

I see.

I'll have to reread. I just think we/I missed something. I wasn't around much leading up to EOD and I think it might've clouded my judgement a little.

Wolf leans right now:

nightwood (I've already made that clear)
bingobango (not very strong lean right now. I have his post at the EOD yesterday. The vote post is what stands out)
corsakh - I would've thought he would've stopped being the village idiot by this time. I mean its not his first game yet he says the same stupid **** every time.

Nothing else real strong right now.

One other thing I want to add about Karak... I jumped on Stark and night for their votes on him for no reasoning. At the time (after reading posts from d1) I really really felt like Karak was villager.

But his reactions to the votes today and his defense just don't seem right. Buttons is also a little off in the way he attaches to my reasoning above but nothing major. IIRC, he was like that the last time I played with him too only with another player (I mean this before he got subbed in as wolf)

Everyone else feels fairly villagery or at least as villager as they get. Jack of course sounds wolfy but I'm convinced he always will.

goofyballer is another one that seems strange. The pissing match with mdburke but I think that's just carryover. I hope he participates more as the game goes on. Odd that he never responded to my request to find wolves though...

lol really?

time to re-read karak then...but he's looked the same as his last game so far.

It's following very closely to the model of the last game. A few people make up imaginary reads that I am a wolf, the village jumps all over it aaand... bam. mislynch.

Sadly I see it going in that same direction. Blinded villagers (or clever wolves) hysterically crying wolf because it's fun, rather than trying to find the real (and usually UTR) wolves. Take a look at the people not posting much, please, not those actively trying to weed out wolves.

One thing I don't get about GTP is why he is beating himself up over voting WU and saying he hates his vote now. He was pretty happy with it last night:

And Karak, it is the classic wolf tell. I'm not making that up or anything. Ask atakdog.

That's a horrible reason to vote nightwood; the wagons yesterday were V-V, so late voteswitches aren't wolfy. If anything, they are villa, because a wolf wouldn't want to draw attention to himself like that.

My first thoughts after catching up were that todays karak-night wagons both suck. And maybe jumanji/jack wagons were the way to go.

I'll reread you now karak but im not really expecting to find anything.

Ainex was hyper aggro early yesterday, this was one of the few non aggro post made in response to Nightwood. When aggro players slow down to a specific it's something to take note of.

Well I guess Caedus will have to fill this in but on D1 saying why you wouldn't vote for someone (w/ fluff reasoning) is weird.

I dont know if what beer did was considered angleshooting since he technically shouldnt be able to be called out on it (i think?), but this was sort of wolfy to attack him.

Jack Frost has posted some dumb stuff and I hope you follow him better as I've never played w/ him. However I think we should give him a pass for a few days and see if he can take wolves out of their comfort zones.

Who has played w/ this person? Wolf lean but cant substantiate much yet here.

Everyone should be fighting to stay alive at the end unless theyre seer outed. Wolfy points here, sort of saying you want villas to role over and die EOD.

Cant discuss this yet, wanted to bring it up later.

This was 2x yesterday you sort of joked around w/ some rules stuff. Just wanted to say that should sort of stop as you dont want a rookie villager misinterpreting and claiming an impossible role to try and save themselves instead of finding a better way to clear themselves.

Yeahhh, someone tell me more about this guy.

Wolf points but havent played w/ Malgin before, seems like he is already getting attention from others today. Not enough for me to vote for him today but if others know his playstyle follow him.

Wat? I think it's weird you said we shouldn't read too much into it and I think it's weird that Cors seems to really want to read into it. No wolf leans, just odd.

This is the second time ILB gets called out for lying. Same thing applies to what I said about Stark.

I think it's more likely the people going after him are wolfy.

Welllllll this is just about the worst reason to vote for someone who is trying to contribute I've ever seen. It's almost as bad as Brian wanting to vote WER d1

Man whats w/ you and Jack Frost going after Nightwood? I dont know any of you 3 but wtf here.

Wait wat....brian i know it's a wolf tell and all, but we're talking about karak here....

and how is voting the other strong wagon terrible when you're being wagoned?