The first part of this game is such a cluster**** and this one is worse than the last game I was in. There have been like 5 pages of random noise, and then other people following that random noise with "omg this guy is so wolfy!"

With that said I rly think Brian came across as a wolf.

hypocrite itt

high five down under and thats what i'm about to do now

and this

ILB is almost definately a Villa here from this, notice that kesh put IBL first, and the IBL wagon was already gathering some steam at that point. Stark however is a different story, from Soah's 9er guide he writes how many wolves like to put their partner as a secondary wagon on d1- in the belief that when they are discovered to be wolves both their d1 wagons are semi cleared.

Notice the language, Kesh was never very committed nor certain about about stark- Prehaps wanting to apear to be wagoning stark but not really wanting to. Stark is not at all cleared from Kesh's death imo, Starks wagon never had any steam d1 and so Kesh pushing him d1 does not clear him.

Firstly, I'd like to apologize for my lolbad vote yesterday. I had a slight inclination towards WU being a villa so I voted for beer. But no justified reason for voting beer. And I see why voting beer with the reason I stated is pretty bad. I don't think hes a wolf at this point, mostly because of what the keshaldra killing tells us. I'll also point out that, if I'm a wolf, that vote would have been suicidal and I would like to think I would make a better wolf than that. But I have not been one yet.

Secondly of all, I think BB brings up a good point. I also read Soah's strat guide about the secondary wolf thing. However, at that point, stark had already gained some attention from posting that list of his. Assuming stark is a wolf, wouldn't pushing that wagon be a little reckless at that point of the game? If stark gets some spite votes out of that list, kesh would have been in a pretty ****ty spot

fyp imo

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A did a bit of reading and here's what I found. tl; dr yo, cliffs at teh bottomz

About the people who voted Wrath :

A.Ertbjerg: don't know, if anything I have a very slight wolf read here, but a very slight one. Why? In the game I played with him has was only talking strat at the beginning, had to be called out to give opinion and here he's already happily joining wagons.

cardassian : leaning villa, maybe 65% atm. No real reason, just like the tone and the effort.

corsakh: I don't like post 523 where he is supporting early wagons against AFK people. Early wagons against AFK just make no sense + OTI has announced to mof agressively against non-participants.

dnkyhunter31 : I'm leaning villa on him so far, but not sure, ldo.

gtpitch : No idea. If I knew what to make of post 446 I'd maybe have one. But I like that he pays attention to what's going on.

JumanjiBoard: No need for furthing ranting. I stated my opinion before.

keshaldra: O hai dere ! I am thinking hard about post 424, let me quote

"I was midway through catching up in this thread and I was already to switch from Wraths to someone else because it didn't seem like Wraths was gonna take off, but come on guys, WER is like having an extra seer on your team imo. Wraths all the way."

Ah .. is this a wolf trying to clear a .... ????

WinEvryRacex: I don't have a clue. Posts alot and seems to be consistent. So I have him rather villa atm.

Other random notes:

MrsButton : annoys the **** out of me, because posts a lot of opinionated stuuf without giving much reasons and gets pissy when asked. I have a strong wolf lean. Plz to be reading the following posts.

RiverFenix: I like what he writes, solid posts, villa imo up to now.

djstu : ditto

Cliffnotes:

top villas imo :djstu, riverfenix, dnky, WER, card
top wolves imo : jumanji, mrsbutton

PS: getting drunk aorn, will be back later

These were the only posts mage by Malgin yesterday.
Seems weird that it wasn't one post but two as they were only 2 mins apart and the 1st post really is just to inform us that a 2nd post is coming.

Also the reasoning on jumanji is odd as malgin has like 125 posts and therefore is a noob himself. A noob wagoning someone on the grounds that they're a noob doesn't make much sense to me, especially in a rookie game.

I know it's not a lot but i thought it should be pointed out as it looks a little off to me.

Are you sure about this?

Sir, you would make an excellent seer, a round of applause please.

Ive just read the whole thing, n Ill post my frist thoughts before going to sleep.

Do not vote goofyballer or Brian

corsakh and Jack Frost must be lynched

If you're a wolf, is it worth it to get a teammate lynched on d1 to get a villa lean by most people? I would think not but maybe it is.

Card, Malgin despite his low post count, has already played in like half a dozen games. Although mostly trubos and the fact that he only has 100 posts after all the games probably indicates he wont be too much useful.

Pretty sure, yes

+1, he played a pretty good seer in the uNL/Beginner WW

On a serious note Night, is there something specifically you disagree about having an AFK wagon on d0 or you just don't like it? I mean I don't have my mind set up bout it yet as I am just learning, but I am open to interpretations.

Hai der Caedus, good to have you in the game.

Tbh i don't know.
As soah showed it never is in a 9er, however I know of players being for it in 13man games. I'd figure it isn't the greatest move but not terribly bad either, however I could be totally wrong about it.

Cheers cors didn't know anything about him just thought it was weird.

Wow just played my first turbo and I went all the way to F3 and won as villa, ship! Basically wanted to do that turbo for a little before coming back to this thread and giving my thoughts but now Im completely exhausted. I did the vote chart but did it pretty quickly so we'd have it, once I get my main comp back Ill go through it again to make sure everything is correct. Please point out stuff that may not be as it is v beneficial to have all this info. Also, a new color, fun!


Also I hope imageshack allows links to 2p2 still, I forget my photobucket pw since it was autosaved on other comp. If this doesnt show up for you guys can someone else rehost for today, tom(?) until I get other comp back. Thanks.

I don't know.
I can see arguments for it but better players than me have told me it's bad.
So i figure I'll believe them until I see otherwise.

Well, for the most part it's that I don't think it will raise a lot of info. The early day lynches have their use only in creating discussion = information that can be utilized later. But how is an AFK to create discussion, I mean about what shall people argue ...

1: yo, AFK - he aint posted nothing yet, thats wolfy
2: u serious, 100% villa tell, would try to fit in harder as a wolf
3: 1 and 2 , you are so ******ed, AFK guy is obviously trying to clear himself by not crapshooting

.....

That's my point.

For my reference tomorrow EOD post was at #485 and my vote tally was based off of this (thx for the foresight though card!). Also I didnt even bother putting in whomever Caedus swapped in for as I dont think he was even mentioned D1 iirc.

cardassian 52
WinEvryRacex 51
djstu 36
dnkyhunter31 29
corsakh 29
nightwood 29
jack frost 22
OnThInIcE911 22
gtpitch 19
BitchiBee 18
mdom88 17
jobeen 15
JumanjiBoard 15
Ainex 15
keshaldra 15
Mrsbutton 15
starkwired 14
I_Like_Beer 10
Brian 9
A.Ertbjerg 9
Wraths Unanimous 7
RiverFenix 7
Karak567 7
mburke05 5
BingoBango 5
chaser1942 3
Malgin 2
ewalsh420 2
J.D. 2
saymond 2
Xr8ed 1
O0Brian0O 1
goofyballer 1

I guess my main points are that in a noob game there are higher than normal chances that:

- pups are UTR
- a potentially helpful villa gets misslycnhed
- we dont really learn as much as we would like to think we do from d0 lynch

But I can see what you are saying too, esp in an experienced roster.

Also I think I have two wolves and a villa but cant say why yet! Smart people who have played w/ me think about what this means and do some rereading.

Ill be back around 1-2 est, night guys.

I don't think this provides enough evidence to warrant top spot on the wolf list.

1. Why can't he vote a noob because he is a noob? How does that make him a wolf?
2. Why is he a wolf because you are calling him out? Because of "#2 reason : rand is broken. i'm like never wolf, so sombody else must be wolf more often. jumanji was a wolf in the ssfr game."? This isn't convincing me.
3. This is not good of him. He unvotes you but still, spite voting is not very productive
4. see 3
5. Why does him failing point towards him being a wolf?
6. If he wants to avoid getting lynched, he should jump on someone's wagon who has a chance at surpassing him in votes. I don't think this makes him anymore wolf than villa.

His overall play is quite a bit different from his play as a wolf last game and thus I'm a bit hesitant in declaring him a wolf right now. On the other hand, if he is a wolf again, he would probably change up his play knowing that a lot of players in this game were also in his last. I'm a bit suspicious of his play as well but I think we need to see a bit more out of him before lynching him