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Old 05-13-2009, 02:36 AM   #3601
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

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And apparently my game isn't that bad if it tilts you into outing yourself as seer on a day when I was gonna get lynched anyway.
Stuff like this tilts me. Go re-read thread. You were not going to be lynched. It was looking like the other seer was going to be lynched. I pulled off an amazing feet by coming out as seer, outing you and another wolf, SURVIVING THAT NIGHT, and then peeking another wolf. NOT ONLY DID I DO ALL THAT BUT I PROVIDED SAID SEER ENOUGH COVER TO LAST ANOTHER THREE OF FOUR DAYS. AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHHAHAA YOU ARE AWFUL.

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Old 05-13-2009, 02:39 AM   #3602
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

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Did you have the same read on him as I did? After a few days I was like "wow, this is the exact same RF I remember from when we were wolves together."
most of my reads are tone based; just something odd about river I thought, didn't even know he was wolf in ssnl until you brought it up . This is also why i killed you Ainex.

Fwiw, I'll rand a HU ww match between you and wrath.
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Old 05-13-2009, 02:41 AM   #3603
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

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most of my reads are tone based; just something odd about river I thought, didn't even know he was wolf in ssnl until you brought it up . This is also why i killed you Ainex.

Fwiw, I'll rand a HU ww match between you and wrath.
Will majority lynch be in effect?
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Old 05-13-2009, 02:42 AM   #3604
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

lol, I just went back and glanced at that thread and a.) I was def getting lynched that day b.) you were clearly on serious lifetilt the day you claimed seer. Just look at the exchange between you and exo.

Also, I was on tilt pretty hard when this game ended, mostly because of stark, but I'm pretty much over it now, and here you are clearly holding on to some crazy baggage like two weeks after it ended for you (though I guess you were still playing vicariously through mdom even after you got killed?). Get a grip dude.
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Old 05-13-2009, 02:44 AM   #3605
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most of my reads are tone based; just something odd about river I thought, didn't even know he was wolf in ssnl until you brought it up . This is also why i killed you Ainex.
So were you pretty much always wolf hunting (and get lucky w/ chaser being seer)? What did you think about the whole balancing act that everyone else was making such a big deal out of?
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Old 05-13-2009, 03:10 AM   #3606
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So were you pretty much always wolf hunting (and get lucky w/ chaser being seer)? What did you think about the whole balancing act that everyone else was making such a big deal out of?
I was wolf hunting since d1, didn`t have a solid plan though. Just my general strategy,
1. I wanted control; as I`d have 50% of the kills, so I wanted the wolves dead.

2. I wanted as many villas as possible so the wolves have less chance of nking me.

3. I couldn`t let a wolf live to f5, as I`d have to lynch him that day to have any chance of winning; but as that would likely lead to me spewing I couldn`t let that happen.

4. I wanted the seers to be alive as long as possible, and I figured the best way to do so was to kill one so that other would stfu in order to live. I didn`t want both seers to be alive as that makes it easier to get them i my mind. This was a mistaken strategy on my part in hindsight.

Balance was in important in one sense, if I had a list of wolves, I`d probally want to kill 1-3 villagers so I`d be in f11 or f8 as the lone nker (I`d be the same as a wolf ducy), being in f17 or f14 would suck as I`d have to navigate a long way; but other then that balance was not on my mind - everybody talked about it, but nobody gave any reasoning
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Old 05-13-2009, 03:21 AM   #3607
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

I can't wait til I'm a woof! Goofy/mdom are my first NKs!!!
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Old 05-13-2009, 04:26 AM   #3608
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

Bitchie, realistically I think your best chance of winning was to turbo the game into final 5 with you, 2 villas and 2 wolves in it, effectively turning the game into a total cluster **** on that day and getting around 50% chance of winning provided you can identify the pups in the final 5, if my calcs are correct. I am surprised you did not take that path as we would not try to kill you till later if you did. But once you started on that "no pups" policy, we had to SK hunt.
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Old 05-13-2009, 05:11 AM   #3609
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

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gg, I hope you know the trash talking in game wasn't personal, and I was simply astounded that you plucked djstu and me out of thin air, hope to play with you again but on the same side!
saw the if karack is a wolf then jumanjis a wolf post and ran with it didn't think goofy was a wolf couldn't under stand why brian was a wolf and jd being villa left you and djstu

i know it wasn't personal it was wolf spem that nobody noticed
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Old 05-13-2009, 05:29 AM   #3610
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

Say you got 5 left with SK, two pups and two villas.

If you are SK and you think you are about to get lynched or NK'ed - you can just come out and claim SK. Village can not lynch you or they auto lose, so they are forced to kill a pup.

So now we have 4 people left - 2 villas, SK and a pup. For simplicity assume everyone knows everyone's role by now. Pup has to make a NK, SK's nk is optional. The stupid thing that both SK and pup can do is nk each other and make village win. But thats not exactly optimal as neither has a chance at winning. Note how SK vote is optional. He can withhold it. This gives SK an insurance against the pup that in case the pup loses his marbles and NK the SK, pup is getting lynched tomorrow by two remaining villas. So pups only real option is to kill a villager hoping that SK withholds his vote.

SK however can either withhold the vote putting it into a 1 pup 1 sk 1 villa situation that is a essentially coinflip between the pup and the sk with villas vote being the decider. Or SK can NK the pup putting himself into a coinflip with the remaining villager the next day. Whatever he chooses, he flips for the win. And if he thinks the villa is on his side, he is better than flipping.
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Old 05-13-2009, 05:37 AM   #3611
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

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But once you started on that "no pups" policy, we had to SK hunt.
You only SK hunted once seers were dead.

Btchi, would you use a different strategy now? I still maintain that there is no way the SK can win if he gets peeked.
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Old 05-13-2009, 05:45 AM   #3612
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

Brian that sentence of yours "once all the pups are dead we start killing confirmed villagers" made me lol, but I did not want to upset goofy any more at that time

When the pups are dead, all remaining villagers are confirmed villagers. Peeked or unpeeked, they are all equally confirmed. Seer peek plays no role. Sure, before the pups are dead, it protects you against village lynches, but it also makes you that much likely to get NKed. So it goes both ways.

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Old 05-13-2009, 07:32 AM   #3613
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When the pups are dead, all remaining villagers are confirmed villagers. Peeked or unpeeked, they are all equally confirmed.
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Seer peek plays no role.
It would depend upon the situation I think. I can think of times when lynching the seer peeked villa first would be best, and times when his being seer cleared and still alive almost confirms he isn't SK (since wolves would've been hunting the SK and would have killed him if they thought he was SK).
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Old 05-13-2009, 07:56 AM   #3614
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

So these are the only two scenarios possible for SKs living in the Brian world then? No middle cases, no doubts, no 60/40s - just this simple?
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Old 05-13-2009, 08:45 AM   #3615
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Btchi, would you use a different strategy now? I still maintain that there is no way the SK can win if he gets peeked.
I would probally just wolf hunt from d1.

Sakh if I come out on f5 with 2 wolves and 2 villas, I am getting nked that night ducy.
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Old 05-13-2009, 09:02 AM   #3616
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

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I would have dropped two if not for the SK, and a lot of my villa reads turned out pretty well (Ainex, Slink, O0Brian0O off the top of my head).

And honestly, it's not like you did **** to help us. You're clearly a more skilled player than I am and I would have been happy for someone like you to take over and "lead" the village but nobody was stepping up to take that role, and half the village (including you) was just ridiculously UTR and putting the rest of us in a terrible position where we had no idea what to think about the UTR people.

I put a lot of time and effort into this game. I'm honestly sorry that we didn't get the result we were looking for, but I learned a lot and I'll be better at it the next time I play.



Again, posting between the NK reveal and "it is day" is a pretty far cry from posting after the lynch role reveal.
I would def NOT say I am a better player than anyone, one of the reasons I didnt post as much as I normally do in a game was because this was a cluster**** of a game, and I just couldnt lock in on anyone I thought was a wolf. It isnt a valid excuse IMO, but its the truth.

Yes, you did do a lot of work for the village, and you deserve credit for that Goofy, you were by far the most dedicated to the game. My intent was not to hammer on you, more to offer "constructive" criticism about why some people, including myself, were completely tilted by you. That led me to find things wrong with your analysis and/or completely ignore you. A less critical non finger-pointing style would add a ton of great things to your game. Just my .02 cents, again, I am not trying to be a complete *******.

As for the Stark thing, again, night-posting is night-posting, it makes no difference when you do it, it is against the rules. Some are worth than others, yes, but the rule is in place for a reason.


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I was wolf hunting since d1, didn`t have a solid plan though. Just my general strategy,
1. I wanted control; as I`d have 50% of the kills, so I wanted the wolves dead.

2. I wanted as many villas as possible so the wolves have less chance of nking me.

3. I couldn`t let a wolf live to f5, as I`d have to lynch him that day to have any chance of winning; but as that would likely lead to me spewing I couldn`t let that happen.

4. I wanted the seers to be alive as long as possible, and I figured the best way to do so was to kill one so that other would stfu in order to live. I didn`t want both seers to be alive as that makes it easier to get them i my mind. This was a mistaken strategy on my part in hindsight.

Balance was in important in one sense, if I had a list of wolves, I`d probally want to kill 1-3 villagers so I`d be in f11 or f8 as the lone nker (I`d be the same as a wolf ducy), being in f17 or f14 would suck as I`d have to navigate a long way; but other then that balance was not on my mind - everybody talked about it, but nobody gave any reasoning
BB, you were the man this game, I wonder where the game would have ended without you in it. Would have been nice to keep our seer for a little longer, but you made up for it by knocking off wolf after wolf. I am impressed to hear that was your plan, amazing wolf hunting sir.
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Old 05-13-2009, 09:58 AM   #3617
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

lol the goofy/wraths stuff is amazing, A+
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Old 05-13-2009, 10:12 AM   #3618
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

Bitchie, not if you can convince the village who the other pup is.

Keep in mind that you would have no reason to lie to the village whatsoever - if you are wrong about the pup, you lose.

Also, you will have more information than the village does - just like you had this game, for example about mburke and in addition to this would be able to manipulate the final five the way you want it to pan out so that you kill off uncertain people and only leave relatively clear pups left.

For example, in this game you could have a strong lean on stark due to his slip and you would be almost certain that mburke is a pup due to the card kill. Village has no way of knowing either of this - but you do, and once you let it out and village lynches stark, mburke will have no illusions about what will happen the next day if he decides to nk you, so he will have to keep you alive to have any chance at winning.

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Old 05-13-2009, 10:29 AM   #3619
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I`m playing aorn so don`t have time for detailed response but, when theres only one wolf left I`m a essentially a wolf ducy.
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Old 05-13-2009, 10:35 AM   #3620
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

Correct sir, its a flip. But this flip is rigged for SK - if he thinks the remaining villager is more likely to spite lynch him rather than the pup, he can NK the pup and flip the villager. If he thinks otherwise - he lets the pup live hoping the villager will spite lynch the pup.

And a flip is not too bad of a result for someone starting out in the game alone against 31 other players

Oh, and village obv usually loses the second SK comes out in final 5 - the only ways for them to win is when either:
- the pup goes berserk and spite nk's SK and they lynch the pup the following day;
- SK nk's the pup and the remaining villager flips with SK.

So regardless, they have no choice but to listen to SK, lynch a pup immediately and hope the pup or SK kill one another.

But I am not even sure that the villager's in a rookie game would even be able to process this information quickly enough, they would probably just lynch the pup and think they still have a solid chance, only realizing what has happened in the morning after seeing the NKs. But again, its not like village has a high chance of winning when they are outnumbered in the final 5 to begin with.

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Old 05-13-2009, 10:39 AM   #3621
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***********NOT IN GAME**********
Dead people are not to be posting in werewolf game threads. If necessary, this will be enforced by tempbans that will stop them from posting altogether.
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Old 05-13-2009, 10:47 AM   #3622
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But the game is over?

You should've read the last page more voraciously imo
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Old 05-13-2009, 10:54 AM   #3623
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But the game is over?

You should've read the last page more voraciously imo
well played sir.
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Old 05-13-2009, 11:00 AM   #3624
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But the game is over?

You should've read the last page more voraciously imo
lol
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This applies to all games, however. If dead posting becomes a problem, the offending players will be banned for 4 days or until the game is over, whichever comes first.
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Old 05-13-2009, 02:27 PM   #3625
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Bitchi, where's that writeup
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