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Old 05-08-2009, 04:18 AM   #2801
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

As for the nightwood thing yes i made a bad read.

I really thought I was on to something and got excited that I thought I'd found a wolf.

I called you a genius because it was your mburke analysis that lead me to nightwood (who I thought was a wolf) so was pretty positive on the work you had done.
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Old 05-08-2009, 04:22 AM   #2802
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

Also as for the trying to take credit AFTER the fact look at all these posts made AFTER the ONE post you quote where I trry and get cors lynched.

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Ok from EOD yesterday. I made all these posts in the last half hour.





























Yep looks like I followed brian's lead today lmao
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Old 05-08-2009, 04:23 AM   #2803
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

Doh I fail at quoting. Is post 1910 if anyone cares to look.
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Old 05-08-2009, 04:25 AM   #2804
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

Also why would I (if I was wolf) try to clear win from being the sk?

If I wsas a wolf I would be well pleased that the village were trying to kill win, I would never try and clear hin here.

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initially I thought that wer was the sk.
As brian pointed out he seemed excited, I also didn't think he was playing his villa game.
In other threads he was asking about neutral roles and whether they ever won.
Also people who he thought were wolves (like gtpitch) got sk'd as wolves.
I left lots of hints to this before getting killed.

However I do not think that win would kill me in that position as serial killer.
It would be too obvious and he would not out himself like that.
I think that means the serial killer is trying to set win up to look like the serial killer.


Taking this into consideration if we consider that I started the idea of win=serial killer, jobeen then pushed the idea, brian jumped on the wagon and djstu jumped on the wagon.

I don't think Djstu know enough about win to be setting him up here, meaning the most likely serial killer is brian imo.
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Old 05-08-2009, 04:27 AM   #2805
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

So please village don't make a big mistake and mis-lynch me today.

Re-read me with a neutral mind and see how many absolutely, positively village things I have done. Yes I have been confused at times and made some bad reads BUT HANDS UP WHO HASN'T?
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Old 05-08-2009, 04:30 AM   #2806
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

G@@fy,

I hear you, bvt ! st!ll th!nk the key m@ment !s where C@rsark cla!ms seer and peeks Card 2.0 as a wolf r!ght at the t!me when many pe@ple (!nclvding me) were hard @n Cards case. !s there anyth!ng that Cors c@vld have expected bvt t@ get Card lynched by th!s comment.?

S@ the @nly quest!@n f@r me !s !f C@rs had the b@lls to t@ke svch a r!sky play as th!s as ovting a fell@w w@lf w!th 30 m!ns t@ g@ and h@p!ng he w@vld svrv!ve.

! really doubt th!s. Bvt ! w!ll l@@k aga!n hard at C@rs n@w as m@st @f my argvments seem to h!nge @n h!m at the m@ment. Back !n a sec.

Screw y@v @T!.

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Old 05-08-2009, 04:33 AM   #2807
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G@@fy,

I hear you, bvt ! st!ll th!nk the key m@ment !s where C@rsark cla!ms seer and peeks Card 2.0 as a wolf r!ght at the t!me when many pe@ple (!nclvding me) were hard @n Cards case. !s there anyth!ng that Cors c@vld have expected bvt t@ get Card lynched by th!s comment.?

S@ the @nly quest!@n f@r me !s !f C@rs had the b@lls to t@ke svch a r!sky play as th!s as ovting a fell@w w@lf w!th 30 m!ns t@ g@ and h@p!ng he w@vld svrv!ve.

! really doubt th!s. Bvt ! w!ll l@@k aga!n hard at C@rs n@w as m@st @f my argvments seem to h!nge @n h!m at the m@ment. Back !n a sec.

Screw y@v @T!.

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Yes Sl!nk ! th!nk y@v have a g@@d p@!nt there.

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Old 05-08-2009, 04:34 AM   #2808
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

! w@vld jvst l!ke t@ ann@vnce t@ @TI that th!s !s my l@st pvn!shment p@st.

Th@nk y@v.
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Old 05-08-2009, 04:38 AM   #2809
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

card, the fact that you point out mburke as a possible seer peek isn't the suspicious part. It's that you were absolutely positive about it to the point of aggressively challenging those who disagreed with you. Maybe chaser didn't leave us a peek on d2 because he didn't think he needed to given how early it was and because he didn't want to tip off the wolves as to his role. Either way, it's not normal to take imperfect information like "mburke might have been peeked seer" and then make 4 posts strongly refuting anyone who thinks he might be wolfy.

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Doh I fail at quoting. Is post 1910 if anyone cares to look.
I included 1910 in the list of posts of yours I compiled. I also included the fact that the rest of your posts on whichever day that was were focused on trying to lynch corsakh. I didn't leave things out or cherry-pick posts.

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I hear you, bvt ! st!ll th!nk the key m@ment !s where C@rsark cla!ms seer and peeks Card 2.0 as a wolf r!ght at the t!me when many pe@ple (!nclvding me) were hard @n Cards case. !s there anyth!ng that Cors c@vld have expected bvt t@ get Card lynched by th!s comment.?
Yeah, for sure. It's not like just because corsakh claimed seer we'd all believe him all of a sudden and lynch his wolf claim. He probably predicted exactly what did happen, which is that we all just move to a different wagon, and I don't think it's at all a stretch to think that he predicted this type of reaction you display above, and think that he was giving cover to cardassian2.0 by naming him as his fake wolf. I think exactly one person voted card (mrsbutton?) and later unvoted anyway. Nobody was taking corsakh's seer claim seriously, we just all picked a different wagon in case he wasn't lying since we knew we'd find out the next day.
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Old 05-08-2009, 04:48 AM   #2810
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Yeah, for sure. It's not like just because corsakh claimed seer we'd all believe him all of a sudden and lynch his wolf claim. He probably predicted exactly what did happen, which is that we all just move to a different wagon, and I don't think it's at all a stretch to think that he predicted this type of reaction you display above, and think that he was giving cover to cardassian2.0 by naming him as his fake wolf. I think exactly one person voted card (mrsbutton?) and later unvoted anyway. Nobody was taking corsakh's seer claim seriously, we just all picked a different wagon in case he wasn't lying since we knew we'd find out the next day.
I must admit though you have got me thinking. Corsahk had been posting lolcats all day and basically admitting defeat at the time so I'm sure that he didnt expect the card wagon to take off in 30 mins. I still lean though that it was just the desperate move that it looked like at the time when he was nearly gone. Worth a thought though for sure.
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Old 05-08-2009, 04:50 AM   #2811
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

goofy in relation to 1910 I'm just pointing out that all those posts I made give a far clearer read of me than the one post I made to mrsbuttons talking about why I was a bad lynch.

It wasn't adressed to the whole village and i'm sorry that it caused confusion, I was just worried that the sponge's that are the village in this game looked like they were going to make a bad choice and lynch me, which would of been incorrect strategy in any circumstances.

I told the village the standard accepted approach and then argued why there was a better line this time. I am sorry that not enough people were smart enough to realise that. Perhaps I can try to be more clear in the future (although I think i'm pretty clear).

Perhaps next time I shouldn't be so open and honest and I'll just post what I want people to hear instead of trying to make sure people are informed.

Also do you really think I would be that transparent as a wolf?

I also wouldn't say I strongly refuted anyone, I ASKED people who they thought the peek was if it wasn't mburke and NOBODY ANSWERED.

I think it's great how you keep getting focused on me for no particular reason.
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Old 05-08-2009, 04:55 AM   #2812
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Perhaps next time I shouldn't be so open and honest and I'll just post what I want people to hear instead of trying to make sure people are informed.
That's all I'm trying to do here.

And I think you're focusing on a more minor point, anyway. It's not like my entire argument for you possibly being a wolf is "look guys, he told us not to lynch corsakh and then the next day he was mad at us that we didn't!"

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I think it's great how you keep getting focused on me for no particular reason.
This isn't even true. I've posted thorough re-reads of like 3 people since the last time I even mentioned your name as someone I thought was suspicious.
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Old 05-08-2009, 04:55 AM   #2813
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

Like you do realise that me talking about why I'm a bad lynch and me talking about why cors was a good lynch are two seperate subject matters and therefore to quote one line of reasoning and apply it to the other is a huge fail.
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Old 05-08-2009, 04:57 AM   #2814
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

I never said you haven't done posts on other people.

I said you keep getting focused on me, which you do (like how many times have you tried to lynch me now?).

Also stop avoiding my question: Do you really think I'd be stupid enough to take this line as a wolf?
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Old 05-08-2009, 05:07 AM   #2815
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Look dude, that's a terrible reason to say that my logic is bad because it doesn't even address my logic. If I keep focusing on you it's because the evidence keeps pointing to you. At first the evidence was that you subbed for A.E who was super wolfy. Now, on top of that, the posting you've done since then seems to support the wolfiness that already existed.

Do I really think you'd be stupid enough to take that line as a wolf? I mean, I don't think it's a ******ed line, the only reason it didn't work out so great is that mburke got sniped by the serial killer which now makes you look suspicious. It's quite possible that you felt mburke needed cover since you only had 3 woofs left (excluding corsakh who was about to die) and that the need for you guys to provide cover outweighed the need to stay under the radar.
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Old 05-08-2009, 05:08 AM   #2816
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

And I think that's a really big point that I forgot to bring up in the reread - remember guys, card2.0 subbed for A.Eterburger! The only reason we didn't lynch that dude is because we thought we might be wasting a lynch on someone who was gonna get modkilled!
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Old 05-08-2009, 05:28 AM   #2817
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

Well goofy you're worng but I'm not going to argue about it as I think it's pretty easy to see I'm village for life!

So instead I've been going over voting patterns.

Now presuming that either karak is wolf or that karak is being set up (not too bigger jump there I think) then the wolves won't of voted karak yesterday.

Therefore I think slink is clear.

Now looking back on the day before we see DJstu making a post about why danny was the correct lynch as it would clear up the peeks. This line of thought seems very village to me and hence I voted for Danny. I think the danny voters were probably village as well (who wouldn't want to clear up the seer peeks?).

Clears djstu and J.D.

Looking back earlier at eod wagons we see cases were people jumped from villa to villa at EOD. I think it is unlikely that a wolf would do that as a late switch to a villa could bring heat on them. Karak cleared.

Goofy cleared as seer peek and also i think by late wagon switch.

That leaves

mdom
starkwired
jumanji
0Obrian
jobeen

as uncleared. I think these are the people we need to be looking at.
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Old 05-08-2009, 05:41 AM   #2818
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Look dude, that's a terrible reason to say that my logic is bad because it doesn't even address my logic.
What are you talking about here?
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Old 05-08-2009, 06:12 AM   #2819
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Re: ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)

OK here is my big Corsahk review in a big post goofy style:

32: I remember now why one of the reasons I originally felt good about Stark. He calls him out from the get go here. Proves little though.

34: Antagonises Goofy here. 1 point for attacking villas.

66: Attacks Card V1.0. 2 points for villa attacks.

Now this is the one that sticks in my head:

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Oi, guys get off jobeen wagon for now, he sounded like a friendly noob. Its easy to vote for someone with a total postcount on this forum in like single digits, but come on, give him a chance to shine. Maybe he will become a legendary puphunter one day.

If for some reason you still feel strong against noobs, and since d1 is mostly a crap shoot anyway, and you don't want to be making a mistake of lynching a more experienced villager too early, I suggest looking into the AFK list.

chaser1942
IlyaMuromec
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Malgin
Hardball47

This IlyaMuromec character for example already played in one of my previous games, but never showed up and got subbed.
He picks out 5 confirmed villas here and defends Jobeen in the same breath.

The next post is interesting though:

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For the record, I strongly oppose voting against mdom for now. He does have some FPS in him, and seems to talk much more than usual right now, but he proved a very valuable resource in a previous game and voting him off early is potentially a big mistake.
Bad points for Mdom here.


430: Votes WU.

509: Defends Mburke.

512: Accuses Stark of being SK- points for Stark here again.

524: Defends Mburke again. Attacks Goofy.

533: Defends Mburke again. Attacks Goofy.

564: Pushes doubt on Malgin.

599: Pushes Jumangi, Gtpitch and Nightwood vote, defends Jobeen again and votes Nightwood.

604 Casts doubt on Card 1.0 (villa)

624: Once again stresses the "defenseless newbie" tag he has invented for Jobeen by quoting a line from Karak.

667: Attacks Stark again.

672: Votes Jumangi after dropping Nightwood wagon and casts doubt on Jack Frost.

679: Casts doubt on Nightwood again.

1126: Changes his tune to not push nightwood but to cast doubt on Jumanji.

1301 Casts doubt on Chaser (villa)

1310 Attacks Chaser again. There are 2 more chaser attacks after this but I wont put them in.

1339: Attacks BB (SK).

Anyway from here on in he has been peeked by Chaser and is on the defensive but the point I am trying to make is that in the game he :

Attacks known Villagers 19 times.

Attacks known Wolves 0 times.

Defends MBurke (wolf) 3 times.

**Defends Jobeen in three seperate posts for no reason, telling everyone to get off the newbie.**

The point I am trying to make is that when Corsahk thought he was clear he wasnt levelling ever, just going for the villas and defending the wolves. Maybe he did have a soft spot for the newb Jobeen. But it really feels bad for me for Jobeen.

Other things to note is that he went after Jumangi 3 separate times - good for him, and 2 times against Stark. Also defends Mdom once which may be bad for him.

OK thats it. I dont know how you summarise like that Goofy, that took a lot out of me.
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Old 05-08-2009, 06:13 AM   #2820
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Now looking back on the day before we see DJstu making a post about why danny was the correct lynch as it would clear up the peeks. This line of thought seems very village to me and hence I voted for Danny. I think the danny voters were probably village as well (who wouldn't want to clear up the seer peeks?).

Clears djstu and J.D.
Fail.

The wolves know danny is a bad vote therefore they could be taking the opportunity to set up a mis-lynch with a villagery excuse.

Doesn't clear djstu or JD at all.
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Old 05-08-2009, 06:22 AM   #2821
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I've been rereading starkwired and he looks very village to me.

Main points in stark's favour.

Suspicious of mburke early.

GTPitch cast suspicion on starkwired early in regards to stark thinking karak is not a wolf.

Cors and kesh tried to wagon stark early.
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Old 05-08-2009, 06:28 AM   #2822
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I've been rereading starkwired and he looks very village to me.

Main points in stark's favour.

Suspicious of mburke early.

GTPitch cast suspicion on starkwired early in regards to stark thinking karak is not a wolf.

Cors and kesh tried to wagon stark early.
Yeah I am off Stark for now too. Its easy to get sidetracked when someone has a go at you and your initial reaction is to think they are a wolf.
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Looking back earlier at eod wagons we see cases were people jumped from villa to villa at EOD. I think it is unlikely that a wolf would do that as a late switch to a villa could bring heat on them. Karak cleared.
If I was a wolf and my only chance of survival was to jump on a villa, I would do it. Especially if I was a bit of a noob. I dont think this clears him.
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If I was a wolf and my only chance of survival was to jump on a villa, I would do it. Especially if I was a bit of a noob. I dont think this clears him.
Nah i mean cases where it was just 2 villas getting wagoned.

I don't think a wolf would switch from 1 villa to another villa just for the hell of it.

For example when karak switched from brian to jack frost, the switch looked real suspicious and when jack came up villa that late switch was always going to draw heat for karak. As we know brian and jack were both villa's (and onbody else was in real danger there) there would be no reason for a wolf to make that switch. I think this makes karak a villager.
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Nah i mean cases where it was just 2 villas getting wagoned.

I don't think a wolf would switch from 1 villa to another villa just for the hell of it.

For example when karak switched from brian to jack frost, the switch looked real suspicious and when jack came up villa that late switch was always going to draw heat for karak. As we know brian and jack were both villa's (and onbody else was in real danger there) there would be no reason for a wolf to make that switch. I think this makes karak a villager.
Fair Enough.
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