cardassian2.0 reread
1622: His first post back from the dead, he votes corsakh (obv) and immediately tries to clear mburke; though it was far from the consensus opinion that mburke was a peek of chaser's (there were like 5 possible peeks he left and 1 of them was obv corsakh = wolf), card jumps on this opportunity to clear a fellow wolf.
1634: tries to come up with more reasons why mburke was a peek of chaser's. look, none of us can agree what chaser's final peek was besides corsakh = wolf, so the fact that cardassian is going so hard on this particular point (trying to prove that mburke was a villa peek) seems like a serious case of trying to make the evidence fit the conclusion, rather than the other way around. why would he do that? to protect a fellow wolf.
1651: gives villa points to jobeen
1690: to give you all context in case you forget, the day card2.0 came back was the day corsakh fake claimed seer. once corsakh does this, card goes nutso attacking corsakh, saying it's because he knows corsakh is lying because he knows he's villa. obviously, however, card would also know corsakh is lying because card is also a wolf and knows corsakh's role.
I think with the situation being what it was - card being subbed back in as a wolf for someone who was already coming under scrutiny for their UTR behavior and terrible, wolfy votes - he knew he had to do something to try to "win back" the village's trust. obviously in this spot, where he knows corsakh is a wolf and is obviously going down soon anyway, his play is to not believe the seer claim and try to generate as much goodwill as he can from the village for the rest of the day by attacking corsakh as hard as possible.
I guess this is fairly obvious really, but I want to point out that nobody should give card2.0 any extra villa points because of his behavior wrt corsakh.
btw though, super odd post:
Quote:
Originally Posted by cardassian
If you're village the correct play is to lynch neither me or cors.
Okay, got it coach. Next day:
Quote:
Originally Posted by cardassian
Also I can't believe how weak tight the village was yesterday.
Yes he claimed seer BUT HE IS A SEER PEEKED WOLF!!!
Not voting him cause he claimed was weak tight bollacks.
YOU TOLD US NOT TO!!!
Anyway, he spends the rest of d4 and the beginning of d5 sticking to the "kill corsakh ldo" train.
1854: makes an apology to mrsbutton singing his own praises for how hard he tried to get corsakh lynched - seeking to cash in on exactly the kind of goodwill he was trying to build up by doing so
1886: quotes an ainex post in which ainex says it's likely ilya and jumanji are both wolves (based on possible bingo peeks). we know ilya is villa (though I don't claim that as evidence against card considering we all thought ilya was possible wolf), but if card2.0 comes back wolf this def clears jumanji.
1897: where his angry streak against me starts. tbh I'm not really sure what to make of this, he later claimed he was just trying to make me spew wolf because he wasn't sure about me, but although I haven't played with him in other games my impression of him up to this point is that he seemed like a pretty chill dude and was probably the last person on the planet who I would expect to turn into a total jackass to try to make someone "spew wolf." I think he genuinely went on lifetilt and tried to cover it up the next day after having some time to cool down. this doesn't necessarly make him wolf, as it has legit causes on either side (I was being kinda ******ed at the time, but he also could be incredulous at how I wouldn't let up on him and perhaps was getting frustrated at his inability to gain the cover he was looking for), but it is weird.
1910: quotes all the posts he made the previous day trying to lynch corsakh. again, I think shows a definite possibility that those posts were a show to try to gain goodwill/trust from the village.
1942: accuses jumanji of playing same wolf game he did in a previous game, more evidence that card/jumanji is a w/v relationship.
1973: still thinks mburke was peeked villa by chaser
2122: asks jumanji to elaborate on his read of ainex, who he said he thought was wolfy. if card is a wolf, he knows ainex is villa, which means he can bait jumanji into trying to start a wagon on a villa by getting jumanji to make the case against ainex for him.
2134: AGAIN tries to defend mburke as seer-peeked villa, this time to bitchibee. I think this is particularly damning, as bitchi obviously walked out of this exchange thinking "sorry card, I don't believe you," killed mburke that night, and was right. bitchi obviously has had pretty laser reads throughout the game and his read here was that card was full of **** in defending mburke.
2241: asks brian to summarize case against 00brian. this is the exact same thing he did w/ jumanji and ainex. if card is a wolf, I think this clears 00brian somewhat.
2243: now asks jumanji to outline a case against oobrian. this seriously looks so much like he's asking other villas to build a case against other villas for him. kind of brilliant really, when these wagons fail the people who started them (jumanji and brian, in these cases) look like the suspicious ones and not card, who was quietly engineering them.
I admit this may be reading a bit much into these particular posts, but I like picturing him scheming evilly behind his monitor more than I do just playing a normal game. anyway:
2247: points out oobrian was utr wolf in the ssfr game, more mud-slinging at a likely villa
2251,
2255: takes a stab at karak in both posts, just something to remember if card is a wolf
2320: actually I was wrong before, this is where he starts going off on me, and it's because I point out again that I think A.E was a v likely wolf and that doesn't excuse card2.0 from suspicion. very possible that it's frustration from the fact that I'm still hammering on him.
2367: mentions corsakh talking about the 3 red ranger candidates. this was the post that initially made me go back and tally up the votes to see how many actual candidates there were. feels weird for him to quote this point of corsakh's, as well as immediately dismiss WER's killing as a red ranger hunt - remember how when caedus died, two confirmed wolves (corsakh/mburke) immediately rushed to be like "no no guys it wasn't a seer hunt, they were just getting rid of an experienced player!"
2371: continues on the same line of saying WER was a 3x hunt, and says wolves don't have the same incentive to SK hunt that villas do. this is the exact opposite of something a villa would post - villas want to force the wolves to waste an NK on the serial killer, rather than using one of our precious lynches on the SK. yet here card is trying to convince the village that WE need to lynch the SK instead of making the wolves do it!
2373: still talking about the 3x hunt. I actually think that what he's trying to do is give off the impression that the wolves aren't SK hunting because he wants the village to do it for them, and that's why he so badly wants the village to think that WER was a 3x hunt and not a SK hunt. you have to admit it's suspicious for him to be harping on this one point so much if he's a villa - who cares why they killed him? not to mention that WER = SK was a very popular sentiment amongst everyone not named cardassian prior to that point, so it's not at all obvious that it was an 3x hunt, and in fact quite counterintuitive when you consider that in order to 3x hunt they had to choose from like 10 people, which is ridiculous.
2379: makes some really weird post using some logic I truly do not understand (if someone can explain it, that would be great) to cast some doubt on ainex (villa), oobrian (likely braindead villa), jumanji (who we've already seen he has a hardon for), and karak.
2398: goes out of his way to bring up nightwood defending mburke over the seer list in that other turbo game. this is really what got the nightwood wagon started. I admit I did most of the work on that, but re-reading this I'm feeling kinda played because that card post is what got me re-reading nightwood and coming up with all those conclusions.
2400: calls me a genius following my mburke re-read despite calling me a gigantic ****** just hours beforehand. of course I'm a genius, I named two since-confirmed villas as suspicious.
next 5 posts are all like super excited about lynching nightwood.
2406: claims he was just trying to make me spew wolf w/ all the anger the day before, and responds to my request for the irl reads of jobeen he promised as saying she's a noob wolf. tbh I think no matter what jobeen's role is, this is how he responds, so I don't think we learn much from this.
2483: likes karak, nightwood, jumanji wagons. man he really wants jumanji gone.
2489: kinda tries to clear JD as villa based on seeing him sub in before and not post much, not sure what to make of it.
2502: points out that he never gunned for mrsbutton, which seems weird/awkward as it has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation taking place and seems like more of an attempt to be like "LOOK GUYS I'M A GOOD VILLA REALLY!!!11"
2506: asks djstu "so you think ilya was a seer peek?" we know ilya was a villa and almost everyone was suspicious of ilya at that point. this seriously sounds like such a baiting attempt to get people to say things that he can throw back at them later when villas (in this case, ilya) get mislynched so that he can blame them for their lynchings, causing us to mislynch more villagers.
stark chimes in the next post calling out djstu, fwiw I think djstu is one of the most villagery people left.
2514: switches to ilya before eod, prob doesn't mean a lot since it was v/v anyway
2556: starts an ilya wagon the next day
2569: heat on karak, who is def looking pretty clear if card is a wolf
2684: wants to look at karak and jumanji as wolves now that we know nightwood is villa, votes karak next post, switches to ilya later, then back to karak.
2791: and most recently, just a few posts up, continues harping the 3x candidates list - would make sense for him as a wolf to post this if there are a lot of villas we could mislynch on it. what he DID post makes VERY little sense imo, as I think the chances corsakh brings up the "3 candidates" thing if there are a lot of wolves who are still possible 3x candidates is close to zero - he would be totally screwing his remaining teammates. I think this red ranger line of stuff is something they planned out in wolfchat before corsakh got lynched, because corsakh and cardassian are like the only two people paying any attention to it at all.
So,
cardassian2.0 is my vote. If I'm wrong, I officially quit from mislynching villagers and will just vote whatever wagons the rest of you like for the rest of the game until I get NKed because if I am wrong about this I'll feel like a big enough ****** to probably never want to play ww again. Seriously - if I'm wrong, this is the last mistake I will make, I promise. Believe in me one last time village!
And if I'm right...
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
So that card can quote it which gives it more credibility since it came from someone less under suspicion.
Actually I should probably change that up a little, I think if card v2.0 is a wolf, it probably means mburke is very likely a wolf and jobeen might be as well. So don't worry jobeen, I'm not suggesting that we put you under fire or anything...
.....unless card is a wolf now.
...remember this post. If card is a wolf and jobeen is not, I think stark and perhaps JD are other possible candidates.
