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05-07-2009 , 01:39 AM
I don't feel too bad about the NKs, I think there's a strong chance we were going to mislynch Brian soon anyway if he didn't go some other way.

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Originally Posted by starkwired ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
Ainex and Brian both voted for 00Brian00, I'm pretty sure goofy is villa (and obv I am), so 4 villas on that wagon means something IMO

00brian00
I think you're reading a little too much into it, tbh I felt stronger about nightwood than I did about oobrian but I voted oobrian to keep it to a flip.

I kinda wish oobrian had lost the flip though, cause then it really WOULD have been his fault he got lynched (all he had to do to save himself was vote for either of the other two wagons but he couldn't even pull that much together).
05-07-2009 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by starkwired ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
Then why hasn't the SK killed him again? I don't buy that.
Good point there.

If I was sk killed (because he bought that i knew who he was) why didn't i get fried as soon as i subbed back in.

Whereas the wolves could have bought my 'win peeks' and killed me in a seer hunt.
05-07-2009 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by starkwired ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
Then why hasn't the SK killed him again? I don't buy that.
probably because Card has already said that he, like most of us, thought it was WER and was wrong.

And killing card twice in a row would have been blatant as all hell.
05-07-2009 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
I don't feel too bad about the NKs, I think there's a strong chance we were going to mislynch Brian soon anyway if he didn't go some other way.



I think you're reading a little too much into it, tbh I felt stronger about nightwood than I did about oobrian but I voted oobrian to keep it to a flip.

I kinda wish oobrian had lost the flip though, cause then it really WOULD have been his fault he got lynched (all he had to do to save himself was vote for either of the other two wagons but he couldn't even pull that much together).
OK, other wagon suggestions for today? Want to do a read through of Slink?
05-07-2009 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by djstu ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
probably because Card has already said that he, like most of us, thought it was WER and was wrong.

And killing card twice in a row would have been blatant as all hell.
I suppose, but Brian was my best guess as to who the SK could be. I have absolutely no idea now and if Card got killed tonight I still would have no idea, lol.
05-07-2009 , 01:44 AM
btw, with respect to the flip - do you guys think that was a good/bad idea? If you guys like it, we could keep flipping our wagons until the wolves show themselves, and if they don't and we still lose we can chalk it up to running bad and make a BBV thread. It sounds game theory optimal.

I'll read some stuff and come up with some thoughts, just got home from work/softball so gonna eat and unwind for a little.
05-07-2009 , 01:45 AM
Goofy neither did nightwood and he was here at eod
05-07-2009 , 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by OnThInIcE911 ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
[0] Cardassian(For A.Ertbjerg) -
[0] BitchiBee -
[0] djstu -
[0] goofyballer -
[0] I_Like_Beer -
[0] DannyKGB(For IlyaMuromec) -
[0] jobeen-
[0] JumanjiBoard -
[0] Karak567 -
[0] mdom88 -
[0] O0Brian0O -
[0] J.D.(For saymond) -
[0] Slink -
[0] starkwired -

14 REMAINING PLAYERS
11 VILLAGERS
2 WOLVES
1 SERIAL KILLER
fyp I think, you still had nightwood on the player list

karak for now (I think I had maybe detected a little bit of a w/v relationship between him and nightwood, or maybe it was him and brian, either way we know they're both villas now, I'll go reread some stuff later though)
05-07-2009 , 02:02 AM
*****DEAD*******

Doh! My first WW death. Good luck Villas!
05-07-2009 , 02:03 AM
Thoughts before I go to sleep:

1) I don't think ainex was killed because of his O0Brian vote, that strikes me as too obvious a conclusion to make, and if our SK has proven anything by this point it's that he's smart. I'm assuming Brian was the wolf nk here, but I think that's a pretty safe assumption to make given the general suspicion that he was the SK.

2) I think stark may have just outed himself. The card being a wolf nk comment is just way too matter of fact, and since we all assumed card had been killed by the SK and not the wolves I don't see how stark could be so sure about card being the wolf kill unless he knew exactly who killed whom, which means he's either the SK or a wolf.

3) Stark shouldn't be a wagon. If he's the SK the wolves are probably gonna eat him to protect themselves, if he's a wolf the SK is probably gonna kill him to get rid of another wolf, and if he's a villa chances are one or both will try to kill him. So pretty much no matter what happens we learn his role and there's really no point in wasting time on him. Village caught a lucky break ldo
05-07-2009 , 02:33 AM
OK so I went through all the comments about J.D. in the thread and while he gets heat from a lot of people at different stages including Bitchie, Card, ILB, Caedus, ErtBurger (pre card v2.0) and MrsButton, (who are a mostly villagery bunch), I couldnt find any wolves defending him at any stage either.

Bitchie also turns around on him in a positive way in the end with the most significant moment being when Gtpitch votes J.D at the end of one of the days which actually looks ok for J.D. Then nightwood replies:

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Originally Posted by nightwood ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
err no.

if a.ertbjerg posted **** as mentioned above and if you posted **** as mentioned above then JD is also very wolfy

btw ... this is totally ridiculous even from another point of view. JD has 3 posts (and saymond 5). makes 'em very villa, OIC
So anyway lots of villas on his back but no wolves defending didn't tell me much so he escapes my suspicion for now.
05-07-2009 , 02:38 AM
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Originally Posted by starkwired ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
The only significant interaction from yesterday (I did a quick run through, might have missed something) is with Slink, who has been playing differently than the last game when he was villa anyway.
I didnt have any "interaction" with him. I was merely pointing out to J.D. the summary Ainex had made of me to speed up his research on me and realise I am a villa.

This is really really reaching at very bad logic. Just mentioning someones name does not mean anything.

Sort your head out Stark! Lets find some evidence on some wolves.
05-07-2009 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by djstu ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
Brian being a villa makes me less sure about the possible Ilya/Danny KGB=wolf peek.

What's bothering me is why Ainex? I think mdom is right about Brain being the wolves nk as i mentioned WER and Brian being my top SK suspects a while ago, but wtf did Ainex do to die?
Maybe it is a level so Stark can use it to try to draw flimsy arguments against me. Looks like I am going to have to do a Stark review now..
05-07-2009 , 03:03 AM
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Originally Posted by djstu ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
2) I think stark may have just outed himself. The card being a wolf nk comment is just way too matter of fact, and since we all assumed card had been killed by the SK and not the wolves I don't see how stark could be so sure about card being the wolf kill unless he knew exactly who killed whom, which means he's either the SK or a wolf.

3) Stark shouldn't be a wagon. If he's the SK the wolves are probably gonna eat him to protect themselves, if he's a wolf the SK is probably gonna kill him to get rid of another wolf, and if he's a villa chances are one or both will try to kill him. So pretty much no matter what happens we learn his role and there's really no point in wasting time on him. Village caught a lucky break ldo
wowow.

I didn't really feel strongly enough about this before to mention it but in the context of stark maybe being the SK...after playing w/ stark in the SSNL game, I feel like he was much more helpful as a villa there than he was here. He has a similar posting styles in both games for sure, so I'm inclined to think he's not a wolf, but it's like he's toned down his villa game a little to be a little less in the spotlight. Like, in the SSNL game his villa game was very aggressive and abrasive; he threw a lot of **** at people to see what stuck, to the point where he would pick up votes quite often and nobody knew what side he was on. He's been doing a lot less of that in this game, and it fits in with the profile of the SK who wants to avoid getting too much heat from both the village and the wolves.

I guess my feeling is just that since stark was "cleared" on the early days, he's been doing a lot less to help the village than I've seen him do as a vanillager.

I agree with dj though...if stark's the SK, then the wolves have to get him out of self-preservation (since stark likewise has to go after the wolves now that he's been "outed" in the interest of his own self-preservation).

I never really thought about this before but hell, everyone who we thought was a good SK candidate is dead now, so we do have to go outside the box. beer's post about mdom is the only other real "lead" we have.
05-07-2009 , 04:12 AM
so i guess all the wagons were villas? well that accomplished a lot, lets do better next times
05-07-2009 , 04:15 AM
i figured info could have been gotten if i died, since we had sooooo many villas, how can we lose, but i guess it doesnt work if you guys just wagon all villas, anyway, stark still wants me dead, so ill go him

vote starkwired
05-07-2009 , 04:45 AM
Brian wtf, how do you go from soulreading gtpitch to being dog**** for the village?
05-07-2009 , 04:50 AM
Slink reread:

First I went through and checked out some of his posts from the SSNL game we played where he was villa, but fairly UTR (34 posts all game). The Slink from that game was confident and assertive with his reads, did lots of analysis, and was borderline reckless with his voting (he voted for lots of villas but never second-guessed himself). Examples:

722: thorough analysis on another villa who was up for lynching, correctly defends him

1072: tons of analysis on large # of players

1079: calls out a villa for disagreeing with his logic

1090: one of the few posts where he asks questions, but he only does so in an accusatory manner in making a case against someone (i.e. "why would you do this if you weren't a wolf?")

1102, 1257, 1349, 1354 - just examples of posts displaying his confident attitude where he doesn't really rely on others


In this game:

603: lots of early analysis, villa list includes corsakh/nightwood/unknowns, wolf list includes bingobango/WER/malgin/djstu/mrsbutton. hard to gain info on d2, don't think we should read too much into his reads being bad. style is similar to ssnl game.

Later makes these two posts:

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Originally Posted by Slink ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
Malgin can you please post a list saying who you think is wolfy/ villagery and why.
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Originally Posted by Slink ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
A.Ertbjerg please also let us know your wolf list asap.
I don't think I ever saw him ask other people for their reads in the SSNL game. I feel like asking others for wolf lists is something I see wolves do a lot.

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Originally Posted by Slink ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
WOW. Nice result serial killer. We must buy you a beer.

I would like to ask again for the following guys to give me their thoughts on who is wolfy and villa like:

chaser
malgin
a.ertjberg
Illya

Whoever out of this quad contributes the least ITT will get my vote in 5 hours time and I will try to drum up other customers against them.
Again, this is something I NEVER saw him do as a villa in the SSNL game. This change of strategies (going from largely making his own reads to asking other people for his, shifting attention onto others all the time) is super suspicious.

1199: lots of analysis, tries to start A.E wagon, similar posting style as SSNL game. Leaned villa on RF but had ok reason for doing so, leaned villa on nightwood, leaned wolfy on mburke, good reads (which is unusual for him early on but I won't fault him for that)

1605: identifies cardassian putting heat on mburke as a possible reason for wolves NKing him, says that mburke wagon isn't bad - big villa points imo (with the one exception that this post is a lot easier to make if you know mburke is a wolf, but I don't think it's likely slink would go out on a limb like this as a wolf just b/c he has mostly distanced himself from other wolves throughout the game so far)

1620: again pushes the idea that card was the wolves' NK and that it was because of mburke.

Lots of posts between then and the corsakh cluster**** that I'm having a hard time reading but am getting a villa-ish lean from.

2237: Thinks corsakh cleared nightwood as villa, ++villa points, points out jobeen is looking wolfy from corsakh posts.

2428: defends nightwood again. leaning villa here since after the nightwood lynching, a bad wolf would be like "look guys I defended the guy we lynched!!!", but slink hasn't brought it up, which I think is very villa of him. if he's a wolf, I think he's playing a pretty ****ing good one.

I think I've mostly seen enough so I'll just skip to the important-ish posts that are left:

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Originally Posted by Slink ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
You better go back inactive if you are going to start posting like that!

I think it was Ainex who did a big review of me early on and didnt find anything. Look through his posts. If you want to take up the challenge against me I am more than happy to answer any questions. I have nothing to hide in this game as I am a sure fire villager.
This feels like something he would have posted in the SSNL game

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Originally Posted by Slink ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
Hey 00Brian I have missed you. Welcome back.

Who are your top 3 wolves at the moment mate?
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Originally Posted by Slink ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
I think if you actually went back and read 2500 posts you would be clearing them too. No hard feelings JD. Do what you got to do. While you at it give me your thoughts on your top 3 wolves as well.
These two posts worry me a little, as like I've said, the "ask other ppl for their wolf lists" is not a move that was in his arsenal during the SSNL game. But, the weight of the evidence still points villa.

And now that I've gone and done all this research...

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Originally Posted by starkwired ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
The only significant interaction from yesterday (I did a quick run through, might have missed something) is with Slink, who has been playing differently than the last game when he was villa anyway.
Can you explain this, since I'm not seeing it? To be fair though you prob have a different perspective on it than I do since you were on his team in that game and I, well, wasn't
05-07-2009 , 05:05 AM
slink made this post which got me thinking about jobeen and whether she might be a wolf:

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Originally Posted by jobeen ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
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Originally Posted by goofyballer ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
You're a chick and we haven't seen pics of you yet, make this happen plz
lol nah you'll be sorely dissapointed if i did we'll just keep up the air of mystery aye
Strike 1: won't post pics

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Originally Posted by jobeen ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
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Originally Posted by JumanjiBoard ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
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Originally Posted by goofyballer ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
wtf are you talking about? For one nobody voted corsakh since OTI said "one more vote" and for another the vote count is wrong anyway because I unvoted which isn't reflected in that vote count

Can you please explain why you're being such a gigantic tard???
because he's a wolf
that's where my thoughts were going either a wolf or SK
Strike 2: Piled on Brian w/ me and jumanji - obv we were both wrong as well, but the people who jump on wagons are always more suspicious than those who create them, especially when...

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Originally Posted by jobeen ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
can't read the screen right now to tired so gonna go to bed be back in the morning (our morning ldo)
hopefully i can make some sense of things then although Nightwood im not to sure about you at the moment don't know why just a feeling so will look back in the morning and see if i can figure that out.
...you have a pattern of doing so, as jobeen now is happy to call nightwood wolfy after I did my reread of him.

To jobeen's credit though, this post seems villager-y.

So, ultimately the question is: did corsakh spew jobeen as a wolf?
05-07-2009 , 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by JumanjiBoard ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
That's fine. Just remember though the other person that was gunning hard at Nightwood with me. It was MrsButtons who you guys gunned for and lynched as a villa. Try not to make the same mistake twice in the small chance that Nightwood comes back villa.
3rd wagon? He agreed in advance.
05-07-2009 , 05:20 AM
Meh I really have no idea how much I want to stray from yesterday's wagons...Ilya is still a good choice I think as there's still the possibility chaser peeked him, I feel like mdom is maybe a little suspicious though I can't really decide if it's in an sk type way or a wolf type way, I still don't quite feel 100% about card2.0 although he def leans villa, karak and oobrian have been lolbad if they're villagers to the point where I don't know if that makes them wolves or if they're just terribly unhelpful teammates...SO MANY QUESTIONS

You guys had it so easy in the SSNL game with two seers getting an average of like 6 peeks each into the open...christ

Anyway, I'm tired as **** from staying up way too late last night posting in this thread, I'll try to get some sleep and maybe stay away from this thread while I do a meeting at work tomorrow and maybe you guys can give everything a fresh pair of eyes in the meantime
05-07-2009 , 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Slink ROOKIE GAME THREAD!!! (9:30 pm EOD)
OK I thought I would beat J.D. to it and summarise his posts in the game so far for the villages sake.

Firstly, before he is even playing the game, he starts out as a "co-mod" with OTI. In this role, what do you think the chances are that he knows what the roles are? Prob its not much of a chance at all but I'm just putting it out there.

Hey, I have to leave early for work today, but wanted to just address this. I knew NOTHING about anyones role in this game, and would NEVER have played if I did. I have quoted it so if/when OTI sees it he will confirm.

As for me being villa, well, I am and I believe that at least one of the people who were on my wagon early turned around after GTP voted me when the votes were tied like 4-4-4 or something, with a wolf as one of the other wagons.

Slink, I think last nights lynch helps clear you FYI.

Also, for the rest of the village, I think we should abandon the 3 person wagons, as there are only 2 wolves left to find, and our odds of V-V-V or at best W-V-V wagons will occur. The wolves will then spread out and vote safely. If we happen to get a W-V wagon setup, we can be pretty certain the wolves will have to jump the villie.

My .02 FWIW, off to shower/work.
05-07-2009 , 06:25 AM
********************MOD NOTE*******************

I NEVER TOLD J.D. ANYONES ROLE BECAUSE I MIGHT HAVE NEEDED HIM FOR A SUB.

HAD I NOT NEEDED HIM TO SUB IN I WOULD HAVE TOLD HIM.

WHY WOULD ANYONE THINK EVER THAT I OR ANY OTHER MOD WOULD DO SOMETHING SO ******ED.
05-07-2009 , 07:48 AM
******** LOLZ & GO VILLAGE & HAVE FUN *********
05-07-2009 , 08:40 AM
Goofy, the reason I am calling guys out in this game more is that there are so many AFK'ers that are really getting to me.

Also, I am playing different to the style in my last game because my last game was my first, while this is my second. I am getting a better idea of the game and I am realising that the best way for a wolf to stay under cover is to never give an opinion. This "calling out" style is something I am trying, though isn't really working this game so maybe next game I will try something else. And maybe the game after that I will try something different again until I have the metagame sorted out. Anyway, as I get more confident I am getting more vocal so you will probably have worse to come from me

And if anyone tries to throw some mud at me in this game I will get pissed off and attack back. I cant help it. Its the first time it has really happened to me as in the first game I played I was nightkilled for fake seering before anyone had a go at me.

I do stick by reads from Corsahk. So far everything I read from him has him pushing against confirmed villas and defending confirmed wolves. He didnt seem to balance this with level reads in a single post. The nightwood kill confirmed this again. So yes I still think Jobeen is still a good choice. I cant do links so go back to my post that Goofy linked if you want to see my previous reasoning.

Yesterday? Prob 3 villas. But it seems very strange that 00Brian00 seems keen to vote today when yesterday he was happy to kill himself. I wont ask 00Brian to explain himself though because that would be "wolfy".

Anyway, lets get this behind us and find some wolves. I am happy to do a Jobeen vote today for now. As I am going to bed I may as well put it out there now and think about it again in the morning.

Vote Jobeen

      
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