I still don't get why everybody is all "lol village" 90% of the time that the village loses. I didn't read this game, but I assume the villagers were genuinely trying. Making fun of them for playing bad or making mistakes isn't productive imo.

If people want to say how and why the village could have played better in any particular game, that's always welcome. But a lot of people have been antagonistic and full of themselves lately. This is a game imo. It's like a football team huddling up after a play and half of them going "lolololol quarterbackaments". Which is uncalled for. Unless Dan Orlovsky is in that huddle with you.

D3

while seer hunting:
[5/3/2009 9:37:08 PM] River: i think it's bingo
[5/3/2009 9:37:15 PM] River: but i need to reread
[5/3/2009 9:37:15 PM] thedjstu: why bingo?
[5/3/2009 9:37:28 PM] thedjstu: ugh, guys, it's card, it's so always card
[5/3/2009 9:37:32 PM] mburke: it is card
[5/3/2009 9:37:32 PM] mburke: def
[5/3/2009 9:37:33 PM] mburke: i agree
[5/3/2009 9:37:34 PM] mburke: but
[5/3/2009 9:37:36 PM] thedjstu: no buts

we could have killed both seers in one night :/

[5/3/2009 11:32:38 PM] corsakh: notice to all pups
[5/3/2009 11:32:56 PM] corsakh: please do not attack other wolves when your tail is on serious fire
[5/3/2009 11:33:07 PM] corsakh: anyone with half a brain will see through this
[5/3/2009 11:33:15 PM] corsakh: on a side note
[5/3/2009 11:33:23 PM] corsakh: if mbruke gets killed tomorrow
[5/3/2009 11:34:14 PM] corsakh: any suggestions what i should do when "corsakh is either a seer or a good wolf" line gets attention?
[5/3/2009 11:34:35 PM] River: who said that?
[5/3/2009 11:34:39 PM] corsakh: mbruke
[5/3/2009 11:34:48 PM] thedjstu: I don't know
[5/3/2009 11:34:51 PM] River: dont say anything
[5/3/2009 11:34:54 PM] River: wait until he gets lynched
[5/3/2009 11:34:59 PM] corsakh: ye ye
[5/3/2009 11:35:01 PM] thedjstu: best defense is that mburke is a moron imo

[5/3/2009 11:43:57 PM] thedjstu: k
[5/3/2009 11:44:08 PM] thedjstu: if we think we have a good read on the SK
[5/3/2009 11:44:27 PM] thedjstu: should we prioritize killing him above seer hunting?
[5/3/2009 11:44:28 PM] corsakh: we need sk around as much as we can
[5/3/2009 11:44:37 PM] River: yeah we need SK to rebalance ideally
[5/3/2009 11:44:47 PM] River: hopefully these ridic night kills by him stop
[5/3/2009 11:44:48 PM] corsakh: exp if he plans on taking me to the end game
[5/3/2009 11:45:08 PM] thedjstu: the SK nailing a seer would be awesome at this point

SK goes on to kill chaser, thank god.

Nobody's making fun but a fail is a fail. I was a villa, I say "lol village" but I don't exclude myself.

To stay with your analogy, if a football team loses 40:0 it doesn't help if they are all smiles about it

so lol

lol, your posting game has been on fire recently Senor, and I whole heartedly agree.

Also village played fine this game imo,
No1 seers were all dead before they could reveal
No2. I picked off the 4 wolves, and sakh was seer peeked so the village never got any information from a werewolf wagon.

D4:

Fallout from card nk:

[5/4/2009 9:32:25 PM] thedjstu: 2nd hilarious bit
[5/4/2009 9:32:26 PM] River: i was hoping youd mention that
[5/4/2009 9:32:30 PM] thedjstu: mburke somehow got seer cleared
[5/4/2009 9:32:34 PM] mburke: ya lol
[5/4/2009 9:32:36 PM] River: lol wtf was that
[5/4/2009 9:32:37 PM] mburke: chasers only REAL peak
[5/4/2009 9:32:38 PM] thedjstu: I'm still not sure how that happened
[5/4/2009 9:32:38 PM] River: i laughed so hard
[5/4/2009 9:32:39 PM] mburke: was "me"
[5/4/2009 9:32:42 PM] mburke: that was SO awesome

mburke gets prophetic:
[5/4/2009 9:37:28 PM] mburke: the SK is the x factor
[5/4/2009 9:37:33 PM] mburke: if he gets one of us tonight it could be bad
[5/4/2009 9:37:38 PM] mburke: espec if its like RF or stark

win's hilarious post where he calls out both the seers, I honestly thought he was communicating with us:
[5/4/2009 9:46:18 PM] thedjstu: lol, this is intresting
[5/4/2009 9:46:23 PM] mburke we could bring that up
[5/4/2009 9:46:25 PM] thedjstu: I found a post from win
[5/4/2009 9:46:26 PM] mburke: i could if you want me to
[5/4/2009 9:46:40 PM] thedjstu: from yesterday
[5/4/2009 9:46:41 PM] thedjstu: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1247
[5/4/2009 9:46:51 PM] thedjstu: tell me thats not a big ****in co-incidence

@ senor

village fails as a group, this is a team game

i failed by forgetting to leave a couple of reads that may have helped the rest of the village
seers failed by not leaving clear peeks
some villagers failed at coming across as villagers
others failed at finding incriminating evidence for the last 2 wolves

all of us villagers did something wrong this game and it contributed to our loss

Posts like this are actually what I was looking for. Saying what you and others should have done or how they can improve is awesome. It was just the "lol village" tone- which might frustrate new players and turn them off to the game when they lose and are then made fun of- that I didn't love.

D5:

discussing fallout from cors's seer claim

[5/4/2009 10:13:52 PM] Stark: im just gonna snap vote cors and keep kinda quiet tomorrow
[5/4/2009 10:13:53 PM] Corsakh: also
[5/4/2009 10:13:59 PM] Corsakh: nah nothing
[5/4/2009 10:14:00 PM] Stark: bc i was prob a bit too loud at EOD
[5/4/2009 10:14:00 PM] Corsakh: ignore
[5/4/2009 10:14:08 PM] thedjstu: nah so was I stark
[5/4/2009 10:14:16 PM] thedjstu: we can defend it easily, it's the standard move
[5/4/2009 10:14:19 PM] Stark: yeah
[5/4/2009 10:14:21 PM] Stark: i guess
[5/4/2009 10:14:34 PM] thedjstu: point out how ****ing stupid it would be for wolves to do something that blatant
[5/4/2009 10:14:39 PM] thedjstu: I sure will
[5/4/2009 10:14:41 PM] Stark: right
[5/4/2009 10:14:42 PM] Stark: ok

Cors comes up with his secret code:
[5/4/2009 10:14:52 PM] Corsakh: one more thing
[5/4/2009 10:15:02 PM] Corsakh: i will take the list or remaning players
[5/4/2009 10:15:04 PM] Corsakh: rand it
[5/4/2009 10:15:10 PM] Corsakh: and refer to them tomorrow
[5/4/2009 10:15:12 PM] Corsakh: through numbers
[5/4/2009 10:15:34 PM] Stark: i dont know how that does anything but help the village
[5/4/2009 10:15:41 PM] Corsakh: how
[5/4/2009 10:15:45 PM] Corsakh: they will not know who im talkgin about
[5/4/2009 10:15:48 PM] Stark: if they can see the manner in which we are thinking
[5/4/2009 10:15:50 PM] Stark: it might be bad
[5/4/2009 10:15:59 PM] Stark: seems like an unnecessary risk
[5/4/2009 10:16:01 PM] Corsakh: i will jsut say something like
[5/4/2009 10:16:05 PM] Corsakh: 18 is weer
[5/4/2009 10:16:07 PM] thedjstu: it'll be rand
[5/4/2009 10:16:13 PM] thedjstu: they'll have no ****ing idea what to think
[5/4/2009 10:16:17 PM] Stark: meh
[5/4/2009 10:16:23 PM] Corsakh: or kill 2
[5/4/2009 10:16:26 PM] Stark: are you going to send us the numbers or what
[5/4/2009 10:16:27 PM] Corsakh: or soemthing like this
[5/4/2009 10:16:29 PM] thedjstu: cause it's just random bs
[5/4/2009 10:16:30 PM] Stark: how is this gonna work
[5/4/2009 10:16:33 PM] Corsakh: i will not go into details at all
[5/4/2009 10:16:42 PM] Stark: oh you mean total bs
[5/4/2009 10:16:44 PM] Stark: like we should just ignore it
[5/4/2009 10:16:48 PM] Stark: i thought you meant some kind of code
[5/4/2009 10:16:54 PM] Corsakh: it will clearly sound as a code
[5/4/2009 10:16:59 PM] Corsakh: but they will no get it
[5/4/2009 10:16:59 PM] Stark: ok cool i like that more
[5/4/2009 10:17:01 PM] thedjstu: "The Crows are Settling in the Roost Hen, I repeat, The Crows are Settling in the Roost Hen"
[5/4/2009 10:17:05 PM] Stark: lol
[5/4/2009 10:17:06 PM] Corsakh: ahha
[5/4/2009 10:17:26 PM] thedjstu: god tomorrow will be funny to watch

RE: goofy trying to get us to kill him
[5/4/2009 10:19:19 PM] thedjstu: where was goofys seerish post today?
[5/4/2009 10:19:25 PM] thedjstu: I want to look it over again and I can't find it
[5/4/2009 10:19:27 PM] Stark: no way goofy is a seer
[5/4/2009 10:19:30 PM] Stark: i would be shocked
[5/4/2009 10:19:34 PM] thedjstu: oh i know
[5/4/2009 10:19:56 PM] thedjstu: I'm talking about the post where he said "Hello wolves I'm the seer, kill me pretty please"
[5/4/2009 10:20:06 PM] thedjstu: not in those exact words, obviously

still D5:

I get increasingly insistant delusions about having messages sent to me:
[5/5/2009 12:15:35 AM] thedjstu: WER has to be the seer now
[5/5/2009 12:15:39 AM] Stark: yeah
[5/5/2009 12:15:39 AM] Stark: i agree
[5/5/2009 12:15:45 AM] corsakh: seer
[5/5/2009 12:15:47 AM] corsakh what serr
[5/5/2009 12:15:49 AM] Stark: SK
[5/5/2009 12:15:51 AM] thedjstu: That post of his would be an absolutely unbelievable co-incidence
[5/5/2009 12:15:54 AM] thedjstu: yeah I meant SK
[5/5/2009 12:15:57 AM] corsakh: ye
[5/5/2009 12:16:13 AM] thedjstu: I think he counted on us picking up on it

D6:

after losing mburke to the SK:
[5/6/2009 9:35:48 PM] Stark: hey
[5/6/2009 9:36:33 PM] thedjstu: yo
[5/6/2009 9:36:51 PM] Stark: do we want to SK hunt?
[5/6/2009 9:36:56 PM] thedjstu: absolutely
[5/6/2009 9:37:04 PM] Stark: lol if one of us is killed
[5/6/2009 9:37:06 PM] thedjstu: village is still running around with their heads chopped off
[5/6/2009 9:37:09 PM] Stark: I'm gonna call shenanigans

D7:

After nk'ing Brian on suspicion of him being the SK:
[5/7/2009 1:02:20 AM] thedjstu: jesus christ on a pogo stick, we missed brian. who the **** is this

D8:

Discussing the beer lynching:
[5/7/2009 9:37:14 PM] thedjstu: if beer is the SK
[5/7/2009 9:37:21 PM] Stark: ok well lets just wait and see
[5/7/2009 9:37:39 PM] thedjstu: yeah, gonna watch 30 rock for 10 minutes
[5/7/2009 9:38:31 PM] Stark: k
[5/7/2009 9:53:25 PM] thedjstu: comeon, ONE TIME PLASE
[5/7/2009 9:53:28 PM] thedjstu: ONE ****ING TIME

After the 1st post from OTI about the night kills, before he reveals BB's role:
[5/8/2009 12:57:44 AM] Stark: LOL
[5/8/2009 12:57:59 AM] thedjstu: dannyKGB ahahahahaha
[5/8/2009 12:58:05 AM] Stark: ok
[5/8/2009 12:58:10 AM] Stark: so i think this confirms the SK just got ridic lucky earlier
[5/8/2009 12:58:17 AM] Stark: and isnt insanely good at this game
[5/8/2009 12:58:24 AM] thedjstu: I think it was BB
[5/8/2009 12:58:30 AM] thedjstu: OTI is acting funny
[5/8/2009 12:58:31 AM] Stark: oti gonna post something else?
[5/8/2009 12:58:36 AM] thedjstu: OTI (12:56:24 AM): WRITE UP IS COMING
thedjstu (12:57:48 AM): ffs don't tease me
OTI (12:57:56 AM): ITS STARTING

and after the reveal:
[5/8/2009 1:01:35 AM] thedjstu: YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[5/8/2009 1:01:37 AM] thedjstu: BB was the SK
[5/8/2009 1:01:41 AM] thedjstu: SHIP IT
[5/8/2009 1:01:44 AM] Stark: good
[5/8/2009 1:03:09 AM] thedjstu: such a sick read imo
[5/8/2009 1:03:14 AM] Stark: yeah
[5/8/2009 1:03:20 AM] thedjstu: wolves win teh nk war
[5/8/2009 1:04:05 AM] Stark: wtf at dannykbg
[5/8/2009 1:04:07 AM] Stark: im with you
[5/8/2009 1:04:08 AM] thedjstu: BitchiBee
Re: WW Rookie game
FFFFFUUUUUUUU

WOW, just ****ing wow.

Goofy, I am sooooo glad you were villa, because your whole ****ing game was tilty as ****. You pretty much called everyone in the game who didnt agree with you stupid, while drilling pretty much zero wolves. Drop the ego please, it will help you in many more ways in your life than just a WW game

As for the Stark thing, YES it seems to me to absolutely to be an angleshoot, BUT, noone who made a nightpost should be able to say **** about it. There were multiple people pretty much every night posting, and got the same sort of punishment he did. A villager posting at night, is IMO, exactly in the same boat as a wolf nightposting, so all fair in love and WW.


In the end, OTI made the correct decision IMO, and I commend him for his decisions. I mod'ed a game the same time as this one, and I guarantee I would now have treated this so lightly...Goofy for instance would have been modkilled well before the Stark incident.

Anyways, THANKS to OTI, Caedus, EWalsh, etc for running a great game in extremely difficult circumstances. I hope the players in the game learn from the experience.

I could go on, trust me, but whatever. the wolves or BitchiBee deserved to win this game, so anyone on my team that complains is honestly just ****ing weakstick.

THANKS AGAIN OTI, you the man!

agreed 100% with everything stated

nothing funny happened after, mostly just strat talk.

Huh? Are you talking about when I said I was positive RF was a wolf before we lynched mrsbutton?

lol yeah like that wasn't totally obvious

SK killed me... ok. I did not expect to be nked there. I peeked corsak and thought I could rally some people on him (pushed him to hard my mistake) then I peeked djstu and did not leave the peek as I did not expect to be voted out that night, but I still knew I didn't have long and was most likely going to come out the next day after I peeked bitchi villa lol!

I totally messed it up and played terrible fml, I think villa could of had that. gg wolves.

Some of it was a code and nightwood guessed it right.

Why did you pick me?

I would have dropped two if not for the SK, and a lot of my villa reads turned out pretty well (Ainex, Slink, O0Brian0O off the top of my head).

And honestly, it's not like you did **** to help us. You're clearly a more skilled player than I am and I would have been happy for someone like you to take over and "lead" the village but nobody was stepping up to take that role, and half the village (including you) was just ridiculously UTR and putting the rest of us in a terrible position where we had no idea what to think about the UTR people.

I put a lot of time and effort into this game. I'm honestly sorry that we didn't get the result we were looking for, but I learned a lot and I'll be better at it the next time I play.

Again, posting between the NK reveal and "it is day" is a pretty far cry from posting after the lynch role reveal.

You were a pretty active poster d1 and were reading into a lot of people I also didn't expect the other seer would pick you.

pretty sick how I peeked wolf, wolf, SK

That explains it.

There was a lot of apathy from villagers early in the game, and that did not help. I am extremely guilty of this, and I will try harder next time. The week just turned real sour for me after the thread started, and I couldn't give as much time to the game as I thought I could

haha