We can do both. In late game 3 wagons is stupid because there are STRONG wolf suspects. At this stage 3 wagons would still be good, and we need the information. Lynching someone mostly for info is bad, but 3 solid wagons is the best thing we can have tonight IMO. (we wont be picking people for the sake of making 3 wagons, we'll still want 3 wolfy people)

current vote count as of #1349

[1] A.Ertbjerg-
[0] Ainex-mdom
[0] BingoBango -
[0] BitchiBee - malgin
[0] Brian - malgin
[0] cardassian -mburke
[1] chaser1942 - mrsbutton
[0] corsakh - jumanju=i
[0] djstu - malgin
[0] goofyballer - malgin
[0] I_Like_Beer - malgin
[0] IlyaMuromec
[0] jobeen-
[1] JumanjiBoard -nightwood
[0] Karak567 -
[7] Malgin - nightwood
[2] mburke05-
[1] mdom88 -mburke
[3] Mrsbutton - A.E
[2] nightwood - mrsbutton
[0] O0Brian0O -
[0] RiverFenix - malgin
[0] J.D.(For saymond) -
[0] Slink - Malgin
[0] starkwired - mrsbutton
[0] WinEvryRacex - chaser

so i guess from the steam of malgins wagon we can say he is a villa

unvote, vote Buttons I see malgin as a tiny bit wolfier, but this needs to be closer imo.

ack I forgot ilya's vote, malgin had 8 before I switched.

Look at who's voting him.
Look at who's voting you.

I think the malgin wagon sucks mainly because of the people that are piling on it. Yes, he has seemed wolfy with his posts but I think he is a villa a lot of the time here. Vote count pls?

Who do you mean?

all the UTR people

why arent we wagoning them?

malgin votes / djstu already changed

[0] BitchiBee - malgin
[0] Brian - malgin
[0] djstu - malgin
[0] goofyballer - malgin
[0] I_Like_Beer - malgin
[0] IlyaMuromec - malgin
[0] RiverFenix - malgin
[0] Slink - Malgin

Names pls.

almost nobody on the malgin wagon is UTR, cept maybe river cause he doesn't post alot.

I don't really like the button wagon either and I'm gonna vote Chaser. I don't have a strong read on him but seems better than the other 2.

[1] A.Ertbjerg-
[0] Ainex-mdom
[1] BingoBango - chaser
[0] BitchiBee - malgin
[0] Brian - malgin
[0] cardassian -mburke
[1] chaser1942 - mrsbutton
[0] corsakh - jumanji
[0] djstu - button
[0] goofyballer - malgin
[0] I_Like_Beer -
[0] IlyaMuromec - malgin
[0] jobeen-
[1] JumanjiBoard -nightwood
[0] Karak567 -
[6] Malgin - nightwood
[2] mburke05-
[1] mdom88 -mburke
[4] Mrsbutton - A.E
[2] nightwood - mrsbutton
[0] O0Brian0O -
[0] RiverFenix - malgin
[0] J.D.(For saymond) -
[0] Slink - malgin
[0] starkwired - mrsbutton
[0] WinEvryRacex - chaser

as of 1363

and ilya, damn me for forgetting my list omitted him

I can't take this **** anymore, rereading everything makes my head hurt, so here's what I had up to about post #800 for d2 recap:

RiverFenix - he appears to be playing the same type of game to me as he did in the SSNL game where we were wolves together - he's helpful and posts a decent amount without really ever being too specific or creating very many ties between himself and others which could be exploited later if his role is discovered. I don't know how he plays as a villa, but I'm def suspicious of him based on this similarity.

A note on the Caedus NK - I don't think they would kill him if he wasn't onto something. Kevin84234 or whatever was another experienced villager in the SSNL game, but we never NKed him because he kept leading the village in lolbad directions and helped us get a ton of villas mislynched. Thus, I don't think that simply being experienced is enough to get Caedus NKed if he was completely off on the predictions he was making - I think there had to be a bit of truth in his reads as well.

BingoBango - it seemed to me at the time like he went a bit too far out of the way to defend Jumanji against accusations from nightwood considering he hadn't been posting much up to that point. Seemed super random since there's so much terribad logic and accusations flying around on d1/d2 that he only took exception to Jumanji being attacked. If Jumanji turns up wolf, remember this.

Brian - on d2 he claimed that he thought kesh looked suuuuper wolfy on d1, yet none of his d1 posts reflect this, so it seems an odd thing to claim later on. He also attacked karak for defending jack frost, who we now know is villa, and it feels like he could be shifting attention from himself back onto someone who may have identified him as a wolf. I also think karak is suspicious as hell though so I really don't know what to make of all of this. I feel like the karak-brian relationship is very likely w-v but I don't know who is who.

Mrsbutton - Something just seems super off about all his posts. He said this on d2: "i tried to get 2 third wagons going but no on wanted to listen to me" when someone complained about how we didn't have 3 wagons, and then when corsakh was getting on Jumanji's case, Mrsbutton says "i am pretty sure i have been on him since D1 but i guess you just forgot about my post like 3 before yours" - it seems like he's super eager to defend himself by taking credit for other people's reads at every opportunity, and it just feels like a really non-villagery thing to do.

corsakh - please just stop tarding up this game with posts about possums and writing everything in some ****ing code that has to be interpreted

Karak - he acts really indignant anytime somebody accuses him or questions his logic and acts like the only way anybody could doubt him is if they're ******ed because obviously everything Karak says should be clear to anyone with half a brain. This could just be his general attitude when playing but I find it suspicious and I'm not as inclined to agree with djstu that gtpitch defending Karak so hard early on clears Karak of being a wolf.

Stark - He just continues to post in a very villa manner to me, and he called out Mrsbutton for jumping on the nightwood train with gtpitch, and it really doesn't seem to me like a wolf would berate people for jumping on wagons that were created by a fellow wolf.

Mburke - I think gtpitch's comment that the pissing match between me and him was probably v/v actually makes it likely that it's w/v, and the wolf in that relationship is definitely more likely to be mburke. He also defended gtpitch as being helpful at a point when one of the biggest knocks on gtpitch's credibility was that he was just posting fluff all the time. One last thing to keep in mind if mburke turns up wolf at any point is that he tried to discredit Brian's accusations of Karak.

QFbeingfrist .. oh look, who's got an opinion on the same matter too

you be a vote short for malgin there OTI,

Everyone. Either the wolves are sacrificing him of he's a villa. There's no opposition

I'm also not liking the Malgin wagon a ton given the # of votes on him, if he was a wolf I wouldn't expect him to go down so fast unless the wolves made some kind of decision that they would let him tank and jump on his wagon so that they could gain credibility for voting a wolf out.

Did you miss your breakfast today btns? You're mind needs nutrition or it won't function well, bet you didn't know that amiright?

The UTR people aorn I beileve are Malgin/J.D./Illya/Jobeen. And we're wagoning one now, which utr do you like better Mrs. Btns?

goofy please vote mrsbuttons with me, thanks

**** it, unvote, vote mburke

Not liking how the Malgin wagon is going so smoothly, I think mburke is a wolf so let's put pressure on him

out of those 4 i like JD

which secondary wagon are we doing? mrsbutton or mburke? I like mrsbutton a bit more in light of recent events, but am definitely fine with jumping onto mburke because of the crap he spewed earlier