lol no. if anything, withholding a vote is uber villagy. wolves want quick votes so it can limit further discussion and wolf partner spewage. calling me wolfy for withholding a vote for some time is ridiculous, especially since it should qualify me as the opposite.

What post? The one where he posted about kesh and dnky in present tense?

a) wolves proof read their posts, villas not so much
b) if he was a wolf, he would know dnky was dead
c) in an improbable scenario that he both is a wolf AND got so black out drunk that he forgot about the night kill, chances are he would probably go on mega tilt after realizing what he had done and seeing two people starting a wagon on him. Especially judging from his earlier posts in this thread.

i am pretty sure i have been on him since D1 but i guess you just forgot about my post like 3 before yours

Although, there may be a very good chance that he infact was drunk when he was making that post and was posting from a precompiled template that he forgot to edit.

This is the chronolgy of events (mind me he is also in Sydney like me, so I am going to post it with local Sydney time):

5:20pm

5:40pm

7:30pm

He did not post on the forum from 5:40pm to 7:30pm. Is two hours enough to get a little drunk? Probably is.

On the other hand, if it was a precompiled post from yesterday, he would not have included the posts that happened today. So the post must have been written today, but then why kesh and dnky. Perhaps because he was drunk? Or maybe he had a part of the post precompiled last night, then added some today and forgot to remove the kesh and dnky parts?

Anyway, its getting late and I am getting very confused. I am going to unvote Jumanji for now and hopefully we can make sense of all these later.

unvote Jumanji

Except I disagreed with what the poster above was saying

I'm guessing you mean that cors and nightwood have to be w/v by your last statement (and not that 1 of the 3 has to be). But take a look at the voting. nightwood voted once on d1 - for Jumanji. He came back again on d2 and voted Jumanji again. He changed his vote to Karak for today. Then cors comes in and changes his vote from nightwood to Jumanji claiming that Jumanji was the one who benefited most from yesterdays wagons. It doesn't seem like something cors would do as a villa if he thought nightwood was a wolf

yea so I obv did not see that cors post before I posted that ^

Unvote ok could it be that they are both wolfs then?

my god, I've read through 675 posts and am still clueless o_O.

I do recall a few avatars n stuff. So given that I've never played this before, I'll be pretty useless, I'm sorry in advance.

Now, do people pull up an excel sheet and put their reads etc in there or how do people keep track? Also, what's the relevance of the post counts being posted here a while earlier?


Also, just reading through basic villager strategy:

It is very daunting to read through 670 posts, where maybe 100 were of any real value. I don't know how these games are usually run but I don't want to spend my days sifting through haystacks, looking for a couple of needles Just my 2 cent observation.

Morning folks

Here are two votes for me that sound super wolfy. Bee says nothing other than a vote. Bingo has a crappy explaination for voting me.

Have either of them been wolves in long games before? Because if not, these are two mistake that newb wolves make.

Also, It would be interesting to figure out if any of the UTR players have ever been wolves before. From experience, being a newb and a wolf is pretty hard, and I'd expect a high percentage of UTR people to be wolves. Leaning obviously towards the UTR newbs that haven't been wolves before.

Specifically:

IlyaMuromec
Malgin
Hardball47
O0Brian0O

Also, I still think jobeen is a wolf.

Voting for Karak based solely on Karak's post is pretty terribad. Karak is obviously a villager this game.

What post, the one where you say you have wolf leans on me? Because of d0 AFK wagons suggestion?

I have already tried to explain my position here
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59.../#post10353936

and here
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59.../#post10357381

I understand the other point of view too now, after Nighwoods brought up the contrast of information and the confusion it can cause. Can we move on now?

I forgot some of what I meant to say:

It was supposed to be referring to the Karak post that Stark quoted when he voted him. I also noticed 2 people jump on real quick right after that which is weird. I don't find the "post" to be a smoking gun at all yet others were very quick to listen to Stark and Brian.

ok so he was drunk is now what youre saying................then how come after I pointed all this out he comes back and said he did it intentionaly???????
Some thing is wierd with him and the way he came out of no where attaking jumanji yesterday and then all the sudden now you jump his wagon of jumanji for no apparent reason seems very fishy.
Villa we need to get to the bottom of this and possibly look at both of these players. It's very odd that you vote him then do a complete 180 and defend him plus jump on his jumanji wagon.

Its this post that I'm concerned about. Almost seems like a wolf jumping on to a wagon but feels he needs to "have a reason" first. That post means absolutely nothing to me.

Then this is the second concerning post. Quotes Stark's nothing post, adds nothing, then votes for Karak.

Only pups and seers know something for certain and have their targets locked. The rest of us are just guessing and trying to think.

I am logging off, gl guys.

Unless someone has some sort of obvious reason not to I'm going to vote nightwood

I think Stark is a good wagon though too unless he clears himself later. I think he might just be an idiot though whereas Night's actions were very fishy. Gonna reread some of his other posts too.

Oi Jack, say hi to the possum from me please. Will you?

ding ding we have a winner..............villa nightwood needs to be on a wagon tonight and I have a feeling the more we wagon him the more he will post and spew his wolfyness.

Where did this jumping take place GT?

yea I did and he told me you and your buddy nightwood are both wolves

It wasn't as "jumpy" as I had remembered it but I just highlighted the two posts I was concerned about above. Night and Stark seemed to have "jumped"

gtpitch...do you not find it odd that Karak basically made an unreasonable demand, saying that unless beer posted within a certain time frame to defend himself he must be a wolf? also knowing that beer is likely villa makes this even more suspicious...

and why are you so sure Karak is villa? you claiming that without any sort of evidence is really wolfy too...are you trying to defend your fellow wolf here?

I'm trying to put pressure on beer to spew to see if he is a wolf and if he is I want him to spew his wolf partners. I was trying to take advantage of his inexperience. How hard is this to understand?