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04-13-2018 , 05:55 PM
AA is the nuts though

you're only interested in having the best possible hand,

I understand what you're saying but I don't think that's the way the question was being asked
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04-13-2018 , 06:04 PM
So if I have A 6 on a 2 3 4 9 8 board that's not the nuts by their definition?
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04-13-2018 , 06:06 PM
Yeah that's a pretty important distinction.

Really depends on how the question is meant to be interpreted.
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04-13-2018 , 06:17 PM
The best possible hand on that board is 56

You can argue that you have the nuts, but they're interested in the best possible hand
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04-13-2018 , 06:23 PM
They shouldn't use "nuts" then.

If I have A 6 on that board, I have the nuts. Full stop.
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04-13-2018 , 06:25 PM
the puzzle setter is clearly not a poker player and it's ambiguous from what they've written what they mean
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04-14-2018 , 11:56 PM
I think what they are going for is: which hand gives a lock for the most five card boards?
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04-15-2018 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by e_holle
I think what they are going for is: which hand gives a lock for the most five card boards?
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Originally Posted by eyebooger
So if I have APuzzles ITT 6Puzzles ITT on a 2Puzzles ITT 3Puzzles ITT 4Puzzles ITT 9Puzzles ITT: 8Puzzles ITT: board that's not the nuts by their definition?
So lock = nuts, not best possible hand of all hands.
I'd be surprised if it's not one of: AA, AKs, JTs
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04-15-2018 , 12:52 AM
I can't imagine it is JTs

Mostly because it is killed by AKs majority of the time

AKs vs AA seems tricky. Like if we say AKs do we get all 4 suits, or just 1 suit. That is a massive difference

Some sort of combinatorics problem where what is more likely a rainbow board with no straight and an ace, versus a flush board with nothing paired.

Typing that out makes me lean toward AKs
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04-15-2018 , 01:05 AM
Any suited hand definitely can only mean one suit, not all 4 combos.
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04-15-2018 , 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by chuckleslovakian
I can't imagine it is JTs

Mostly because it is killed by AKs majority of the time

AKs vs AA seems tricky. Like if we say AKs do we get all 4 suits, or just 1 suit. That is a massive difference

Some sort of combinatorics problem where what is more likely a rainbow board with no straight and an ace, versus a flush board with nothing paired.

Typing that out makes me lean toward AKs
Is there an easy way to calculate this?

No tens, no fives.
One of KQJ, one of 234.
Two of 6789, but not all combinations are valid. (e.g. AJ982 doesn't work)

Due to the two-way nature of the ace, is it possible that KK is better? Tens and fives are legal (e.g. KT832).
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04-19-2018 , 02:44 AM
So let's see if we approximate

AA trying for another ace

2*49*48*47*46*5 different ways this can happen=50850240

ATs trying for a flush

11*10*39*38*37*10 different ways this can happen=60317400

and this doesn't even include all the ways AA is beaten by a straight. ATs includes a few more hands where a straight flush is nuts vs AKs. I think I am going with ATs.
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04-19-2018 , 04:16 AM
but the extra ways you can make a straight flush with ATs are not the "best possible hand"

Unless it's the royal your straight flush only uses the T and would be better with JT

if we're using their definition of the nuts
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04-20-2018 , 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by xander biscuits
but the extra ways you can make a straight flush with ATs are not the "best possible hand"

Unless it's the royal your straight flush only uses the T and would be better with JT

if we're using their definition of the nuts
Yeah definition is flawed. By that definition I don't see where Asuited (face card)suited has any advantage over any other. But if you have Ac Tc and the board comes 9c 8c 7c 6c 2d you know you can't be beaten, even if Jc Tc would be the nuts
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04-20-2018 , 02:36 AM
5c
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04-20-2018 , 02:18 PM
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...ss-the-street/

Looks like the answer was ATs. I'm surprised.

They even link to a 2+2 thread from 2010. Relevant quote here:

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Originally Posted by bachfan
PQL results for a random hand - 10 million trials each. I will post vs some non-random ranges later to see how different that looks.

- bachfan of ProPokerTools fame

Hand River Nut %
TAs4.343116789953018
JAs4.242516609768383
QAs4.139867466439645
KAs4.084431336897797
A9s3.528580974213432
A6s3.410878770524322
TJs3.3973464221030287
A8s3.3410039053393215
A7s3.3090012167724634
A5s3.2616597736522395
TJo3.246038377303518
A4s3.1023485299779243
QKs3.015350526732977
QJs3.000333315986652
KJs2.980597743068052
TQs2.950436597715041
TKs2.9496971187866285
A3s2.944184546394309
A2s2.7806564350708083
QJo2.755209403510006
TQo2.6983060349429526
QKo2.321733316094645
T9s2.2536388720471177
KJo2.2259680615281594
TKo2.1622596760483352
T9o2.083802243034237
KAo1.992877117595469
AA1.9438074443395854
QAo1.8787450012553664
JAo1.7771762545174596
KK1.766171872352324
98s1.7443818577333088
TAo1.7147010882681275
87s1.7116914000772976
76s1.6871830384488056
65s1.6720420175564712
J9s1.6506331975487682
98o1.6298134624788712
87o1.5936283624866425
T8s1.584529079152431
76o1.5642855907706952
65o1.5386005777042124
J9o1.497992348414609
54s1.4817342256029005
T8o1.4542415386542775
K9s1.3914775014728558
54o1.3622279149268655
K5s1.3576558059530837
K4s1.3379597166090418
K3s1.321884698749019
K8s1.3148611487354394
K2s1.311802745845678
97s1.2981535981816603
86s1.2639039574440583
K7s1.2578495686740516
75s1.2515143797410198
64s1.230965215088948
K6s1.2292001894981985
Q9s1.2291749118067674
QQ1.227309086641568
97o1.1664719332585842
86o1.147410919834386
75o1.1202503601692397
64o1.1045322622184854
53s1.0621355814119973
J8s1.001121787591242
JJ0.9908037781429723
Q9o0.9730280199363589
TT0.9561380228598674
T7s0.9400847306831837
53o0.9305627525444053
J8o0.8974790097412075
T7o0.8520567108267805
43s0.8369289685694427
A9o0.754941003488073
43o0.752944692103469
990.7202963943801168
Q8s0.7182876928548908
A8o0.7125996348076745
880.7114887962985804
770.7042652134992669
96s0.6938886253812592
660.688442455506356
A7o0.678801124420493
85s0.6755325108133728
550.6734746560406711
440.6666149957311551
330.6593786483162586
74s0.6584814314610438
220.6557415368435942
A6o0.6475838783562906
63s0.645860569208766
Q7s0.6382346141850028
A5o0.629713231542285
A4o0.6161335321256487
K9o0.6146757389537583
A2o0.6062251962790585
Q6s0.6048871477040091
96o0.6026372720387809
A3o0.6006229347815236
Q5s0.5920095558243503
85o0.5828022367651792
Q4s0.5764463826425201
74o0.5724844864351146
K8o0.5701772672785179
Q3s0.5677536732462877
Q2s0.564720103720106
63o0.5574811355905612
K7o0.5340017218896319
Q8o0.5161955324136962
K6o0.5086246215617335
J7s0.5025533978602874
K5o0.4874058093446486
Q7o0.4753265620461639
52s0.4741666864681236
K4o0.4690205823099986
K3o0.4597697244439257
K2o0.4539407200239095
T6s0.44932901577701995
Q6o0.4429262986043172
42s0.43952327698475935
J7o0.43919421649985896
J6s0.4330360446285566
Q5o0.42442664326785234
Q4o0.4076484979585646
J6o0.40731315898671655
J5s0.4021245158834986
T6o0.40016968664692315
Q3o0.39988358236822014
Q2o0.3947781391979772
J4s0.3876398029032711
J5o0.3866472743166749
J3s0.3834108739850074
52o0.3809524760712447
T5o0.37813068245860254
T5s0.3779278613313533
J2s0.37150796344554965
J4o0.3713453609818976
J3o0.3638007381658168
T4o0.36118132998348906
T4s0.36082681761376756
J2o0.35444571031802247
42o0.35311782585846
T3o0.3512072224394233
T3s0.3492401301463377
T2s0.3476977338119803
T2o0.34662999722584237
32s0.28213691099526106
32o0.23858485576188715
95s0.20667202338828916
84s0.19076675732707576
73s0.1810881859094765
62s0.1765621339785756
95o0.15983341721810426
94s0.14685195113359586
94o0.14418180544011538
84o0.14394634423751457
83s0.13730994891173964
73o0.13709555440494994
72s0.13547459846297402
83o0.13371456407028248
93o0.13353847129665855
92o0.13335166153895878
92s0.1325143988705352
93s0.13173399305355446
82s0.129927928977796
82o0.1293231528622855
72o0.12879587853188698
62o0.12705408933959014
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04-21-2018 , 03:13 AM
The craziest thing about those results is I wouldn't have guessed AKo over AA
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04-21-2018 , 04:26 AM
poker is a game where you're only interested in having a better hand than your opponent. The nuts is nice but not necessary.

Let's look at the boards where AA is the nuts:

- 4 flush without pairs or straight flush draw
- AA on board
- TJQK without pairs or flush possibility
- Single A on board without straight, flush or full house possibilities.

Any time you get Aces Full someone else could have quads. None of the scenarios described above are likely at all

AKo still gets all the 4 flush possibilities and quads in some extreme cases but what I think pushes it ahead of AA is the fact that it can make broadway with only 3 cards to help it.

I also think that the puzzle misunderstands what the nuts is. When they said "best possible hand" they should have said "unbeatable hand" because you can guarantee that the 2+2 guy understands what the nuts is. Only way ATs is better than AKs is with the proper definition of what the nuts is because of the extra straight flushes you can make.

Also I would like to take credit for being the first person to suggest ATs (even if minutes later I decided that it was a bad answer).
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04-24-2018 , 06:58 PM
Here's a nice puzzle that I stumbled upon today and was pleased with myself that I was able to solve it fairly quickly (So perhaps it's too easy for here!)

Puzzle

There is a pannel with a 3 digit code and you want to crack the code efficiently. You can try as many times as you want and if you've no digits in the right place then you get told "FAIL" and if you have 1 or more digits in the right place then you get told "CLOSE" (Even if all digits are correct it will say "CLOSE")

e.g. If the code is 140 then 197 would get a result of CLOSE, 140 would get a result of CLOSE and 014 would get a result of FAIL.

What is the optimal strategy to minimize the number of tries you need before knowing the code? Using this strategy what is the highest number of tries it might take you before you know what the code is?
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04-24-2018 , 07:25 PM
How about this :

Minimum tries
Spoiler:
10


Maximum tries
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16
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04-24-2018 , 07:36 PM
Quick answer. If it's wrong I'll give it more thought.

Spoiler:
Enter all 10 triplets (000, 111... 999).
1 close = you're done (10 guesses)
2 close = 6 ways to sort xxy/yyx
3 close = 6 ways to sort xyz

So min=10, max=16
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04-24-2018 , 07:39 PM
I'm pretty sure you're both +1 on the low end and maybe on the high end

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because If you get 9 with no close you obv know there is a 0 so it could take only 9.

I don't think this applies to the high end but I'm not sure.
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04-24-2018 , 07:45 PM
I think I have a strategy for
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max 13.
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04-24-2018 , 07:48 PM
Spoiler:
Trial 1 through 10, all triplets.
Assume "close" for 111, 333, 999.

Trial 11: 144
If "close", you know digit 1 is in the 1st spot.

If "fail",
Trial 12: 414
If "close", digit 1 is in the 2nd spot.
If "fail", digit 1 is in the 3rd spot.

Trial 13: 344
If "close", digit 3 is in 1st spot, solved.
If "fail", digit 9 is in 1st spot, solved.
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04-24-2018 , 07:48 PM
I don't understand why you guys are answering min and max? I think we're just looking for one number that minimizes the maximum number of possible turns.
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