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08-19-2019 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Outdrawed84
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did this one when it came out. Almost positive it assigns values to note on the musical scale, i.e DO = 1/8, RE = 2, etc. Then it just takes the difference between the two note that make up the word. SO = 5, FA = 4, SOFA = 5-4 = 1.
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Wow, that seems right to me. I did it like irtm and came out to his answer. I never picked up on them being musical notes.
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08-19-2019 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Outdrawed84
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did this one when it came out. Almost positive it assigns values to note on the musical scale, i.e DO = 1/8, RE = 2, etc. Then it just takes the difference between the two note that make up the word. SO = 5, FA = 4, SOFA = 5-4 = 1.
eli5

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i don't know music at all. is there a list that says what value on the musical scale each note represents? I can't find such on google
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08-19-2019 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by housenuts
eli5

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i don't know music at all. is there a list that says what value on the musical scale each note represents? I can't find such on google
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Musical scale: DO, RE, ME, FA, SO, LA, TI, DO. They simply went in order starting with 1.
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08-19-2019 , 03:34 PM
gotcha. thanks
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08-19-2019 , 03:59 PM
I like that puzzle

at first it seems kinda like one of those arbitrary letters have a certain value and then do the same function each time but it's cleverer than that.

Well worked out.
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08-19-2019 , 05:21 PM
My only problem with a puzzle like that is that there isnt really a "right answer". But I appreciate the idea of "can you work out a non-straightforward answer".
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08-19-2019 , 06:13 PM
In general I agree with you. What's next in the sequence 2, 4, 8? etc questions annoy me.

For this one even though there's no single right answer, I'm certain that you couldn't come up with a better answer (defined by polling a bunch of people)
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09-01-2019 , 10:13 PM
This one isn't a logic puzzle, per se, but it can be a pleasant way to pass a bit of time.

Find integers (all greater than 1) a, b, c, d, e, f, g such that the following are true:

a^2 × b × c^2 × g = 5,100

a × b^2 × e × f^2 = 33,462

a × c^2 × d^3 = 17,150

a^3 × b^3 × c × d × e^2 = 914,760

Where ^ denotes exponts, as usual.
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09-02-2019 , 12:32 AM
Don't you need as many equations as variables to get definite answers? It's been a long time since I took an algebra class, but I thought that was the general rule.
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09-02-2019 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Don't you need as many equations as variables to get definite answers? It's been a long time since I took an algebra class, but I thought that was the general rule.
But this problem requires integers. Requiring integers greatly restricts things
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09-02-2019 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Eric
This one isn't a logic puzzle, per se, but it can be a pleasant way to pass a bit of time.

Find integers (all greater than 1) a, b, c, d, e, f, g such that the following are true:

a^2 * b * c^2 * g = 5,100

a * b^2 * e * f^2 = 33,462

a * c^2 * d^3 = 17,150

a^3 * b^3 * c * d * e^2 = 914,760

Where ^ denotes exponts, as usual.

Well I went through a bunch of overthinking it math before I started taking a simpler approach, and it seems pretty straight forward.

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I can't remember what we can prove from the prime factors (factorization? I dunno, it's been a while) in terms of number of possible solutions, so there may be another, but I don't think so.

a * c^2 * d^3 = 17,150

The prime factors of 17,150 are 2, 5, 5, 7, 7, 7 ∴
a = 2
c = 5
d = 7

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Pulling out all the known quantities:

2^2 * b * 5^2 * g = 5,100 ∴
b * g = 51

2 * b^2 * e * f^2 = 33,462 ∴
b^2 * e * f^2 = 16,731

2^3 * b^3 * 5 * 7 * e^2 = 914,760 ∴
b^3 * e ^2 = 3,267

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b^3 * e ^2 = 3,267

Prime factors of 3,267 are 3, 3, 3, 11, 11 ∴
b = 3
e = 11

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Again pulling out all the known quantities:

3 * g = 51 ∴
g = 17

3^2 * 11 * f^2 = 16,731
f = 13

a = 2
b = 3
c = 5
d = 7
e = 11
f = 13
g = 17

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09-02-2019 , 09:38 AM
My approach was the same as yours, irtm, but I started at a different point. The given solution (which is, in effect, equivalent):

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Multiply all the equations together to get

a^7×b^6×c^5×d^4×e^3×f^2×g= 2,677,277,333,530,800,000

which is easily decomposed into its prime factorization. Then answer is then read off quite easily.
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09-02-2019 , 03:59 PM
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I went through the equations in the order given, finding the prime factors of the number.

1. 2x2x3x5x5x17

So a = 2 or 5, c = 2 or 5, b = 3 or 17, g = 3 or 17.

2. 2x3x3x11x13x13

b is 3 or 13, but given equation 1, it must be 3. That makes g=17 and f=13.
Likewise, a is 2 or 11, but must be 2 based on #1. That makes c=5 and e=11.

3. 2x5x5x7x7x7

Must be d=7.

And we're done. No need for the 4th equation.
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09-04-2019 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Eric
This one isn't a logic puzzle, per se, but it can be a pleasant way to pass a bit of time.

Find integers (all greater than 1) a, b, c, d, e, f, g such that the following are true:

a^2 × b × c^2 × g = 5,100

a × b^2 × e × f^2 = 33,462

a × c^2 × d^3 = 17,150

a^3 × b^3 × c × d × e^2 = 914,760

Where ^ denotes exponts, as usual.
Enjoyed this thoroughly.
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09-04-2019 , 03:11 PM
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a=2, b=3, c=5, d=7, e=11, f=13, g=17

(1) (2x2)*3*(5x5)*17 = 5100

A or C = 2 or 5
B or G = 3 or 17


(2) a x c^2 x d^3 = 17,150
2*5^2 (or) 5*2^2 * d^3 = 17,150
2*5^2 --> d^3 = 343
a = 2
c = 5
d= 7


(3) a^3 x b^3 x c x d x e^2 = 914,760
2^3 x b^3 x 5 x 7 x e^2 = 914,760
b^3 x e^2 = 3,267
3,267 is divisible by 27
b = 3
e = 11
g = 17


(4) a x b^2 x e x f^2 = 33,462
2 x 3^2 x 11 x f^2 = 33,462
f^2 = 169
f = 13



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09-05-2019 , 07:53 PM
The previous puzzle and this next one were taken from the NSA's puzzle periodical, which doesn't seem to be active this year.

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At a work picnic, Todd announces a challenge to his coworkers. Bruce and Ava are selected to play first. Todd places $100 on a table and explains the game. Bruce and Ava will each draw a random card from a standard 52-card deck. Each will hold that card to his/her forehead for the other person to see, but neither can see his/her own card. The players may not communicate in any way. Bruce and Ava will each write down a guess for the color of his/her own card, i.e. red or black. If either one of them guesses correctly, they both win $50. If they are both incorrect, they lose. He gives Bruce and Ava five minutes to devise a strategy beforehand by which they can guarantee that they each walk away with the $50.

Bruce and Ava complete their game and Todd announces the second level of the game. He places $200 on the table. He tells four of his coworkers -- Emily, Charles, Doug and Fran—that they will play the same game, except this time guessing the suit of their own card, i.e. clubs, hearts, diamonds or spades. Again, Todd has the four players draw cards and place them on their foreheads so that each player can see the other three players' cards, but not his/her own. Each player writes down a guess for the suit of his/her own card. If at least one of them guesses correctly, they each win $50. There is no communication while the game is in progress, but they have five minutes to devise a strategy beforehand by which they can be guaranteed to walk away with $50 each.

For each level of play – 2 players or 4 players– how can the players ensure that someone in the group always guesses correctly?


If, by some chance, this one has been in this thread already, don't look back.
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09-05-2019 , 08:46 PM
2 players:

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Bruce guesses the color he sees, Ava guesses the opposite of the color she sees.

B A
b b - Bruce guesses black
b r - Ava guesses red
r b - Ava guesses black
r r - Bruce guesses red
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09-05-2019 , 09:19 PM
4 players:

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Assign values to the suits. C=0, D=1, H=2, S=3. Below, SUM means the sum of the suit values of the 3 people's cards that can be seen.

Emily - guess (0-SUM) mod 4
Charles - guess (1-SUM) mod 4
Doug - guess (2-SUM) mod 4
Fran - guess (3-SUM) mod 4

This methodology works for all N, not just 2 or 4, as long as there are N guessers and N guess options.
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09-06-2019 , 03:27 AM
2 players:
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They agree: if you see a red card, you write down the answer "Red", before I write down my answer. If the both write down the answer quickly, both will be right. If one is red and the other black, the black one will be wrong, but the red will guess correctly. if both stare at eachother for a long time, they know they can write down "black"

Last edited by Gabethebabe; 09-06-2019 at 03:43 AM.
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09-06-2019 , 03:45 AM
Lattimer's solution >>>>> mine
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09-06-2019 , 12:03 PM
I've seen a similar puzzle with two people. Never seen a version of four. I imagine it's kind of the same concept.
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09-06-2019 , 12:30 PM
Gabe, it could be argued that your solution involves a type of communication during the process. My initial plan was essentially the same.
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09-08-2019 , 03:02 PM
I know that puzzle but without cards and with a general solution required for n people.

Howard Lederer said it on the PokerCast

He also told a puzzle which went something like this:

"Why are most manhole covers round?"
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09-08-2019 , 03:13 PM
What I always heard about manhole covers was

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A circular cover can't fall through the hole, while a square one would always be able to fall through on the diagonal.
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09-08-2019 , 10:49 PM
Finally looked at the 4 person solution. Never would have got there.
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