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05-06-2021 , 10:44 AM

#126

A missread issue

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 6,389

With this many replies, I thought this was going to be a 21er.

05-06-2021 , 10:48 AM

#127

A missread issue

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2020 Posts: 6,389

Quote:

Originally Posted by benneh

ETA on a start for this?

I'd vote for tomorrow if we can get two more today.

05-06-2021 , 10:53 AM

#128

Birdman10687

Not a Troll IRL

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 39,990

Quote:

Originally Posted by A missread issue

I'd vote for tomorrow if we can get two more today.

yeah either tomorrow or Monday if it's still not full

05-06-2021 , 11:10 AM

#129

metsandfinsfan

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 158,847

Monday and Tuesday I'll be sparse but sparse for me should still be okay

05-06-2021 , 03:46 PM

#130

Crossnerd

quite smart as well

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 39,554

Quote:

Originally Posted by Birdman10687

Honestly with a lot of this stuff I think people would do well to try to see what the person they are responding to is saying rather than what they imagine the other person is saying. Go back and read what bsball said before you make a post about it.

If this is directed toward me you can shove it up your ass. I like and respect you a lot, but I don’t have a problem with reading comprehension. Bsball’s frustrations are valid but they need to be tempered, and I meant that when I said it.

05-06-2021 , 03:46 PM

#131

Crossnerd

quite smart as well

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 39,554

I’ll in if needed, but also can pass if people are pissed at my posts in this sign up.

05-06-2021 , 03:48 PM

#132

Luckbox Inc

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 61,096

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crossnerd

I’ll in if needed, but also can pass if people are pissed at my posts in this sign up.

I'm happy you're playing.

05-06-2021 , 03:50 PM

#133

Birdman10687

Not a Troll IRL

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 39,990

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crossnerd

it wasn’t directed at you specifically

but it did feel like you didn’t read my post but that was just a feeling

05-06-2021 , 03:51 PM

#134

Birdman10687

Not a Troll IRL

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 39,990

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crossnerd

I’ll in if needed, but also can pass if people are pissed at my posts in this sign up.

tis needed

05-06-2021 , 03:55 PM

#135

Birdman10687

Not a Troll IRL

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 39,990

Quote:

Originally Posted by Birdman10687

it wasn’t directed at you specifically

but it did feel like you didn’t read my post but that was just a feeling

sorry to add to this it felt like basically everyone involved in the discussion—myself included, wasn’t being very generous in trying to understand what other people were saying

05-06-2021 , 04:23 PM

#136

Deli_

veteran

Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 2,560

(12)
A missread issue
Doctor Zeus
metsandfinsfan
Luckbox Inc
Montecore
Kawamii
ShipItUp
Charry
Creature
VoraciousReader
fanmail
Crossnerd

subs:
ladd
Gadarene

mod:
Birdman10687

need 1 more. or 5 more.

05-06-2021 , 04:44 PM

#137

Crossnerd

quite smart as well

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 39,554

Quote:

Originally Posted by Birdman10687

sorry to add to this it felt like basically everyone involved in the discussion—myself included, wasn’t being very generous in trying to understand what other people were saying

I was generous in that I wasn’t criticizing bsball, I have empathy for bsball’s feelings too- just trying to contextualize the situation in that this would be a good time to let one slide. All of you, bsball, bird, Cc, are posters of whom I think very highly.

But as a new parent I know how badly it feels to miss something you intended to go to. My rate for actually making zoom calls and family dinners is abysmal this year, and it feels bad man, and there’s nothing you can do about it because babies need what they need when they need it, and don’t care if you’re tired or busy or fulfilling other obligations. And the baby comes first!

So yeah, when they apologize for missing it, but the complaints about them keep going then yeah it feels like browbeating a person who’s already down.

I’ve been the player who efforted hard and had a teammate blow it , and I’ve also been the teammate who blows it. And looking back the times I’ve regretted my behavior were not when I missed games but when I took out my frustration on the other person. I wish I’d been kinder, more understanding, more compassionate, and I wasn’t many times. And I think the anger and frustration I put into those situations hurt the other party more than I was ever hurt by someone missing an online game.

05-06-2021 , 04:59 PM

#138

Montecore

RPElf = +EV

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 82,123

+1 to cross being more than welcome.

Let's get one more and start this tomorrow.

05-06-2021 , 05:09 PM

#139

Birdman10687

Not a Troll IRL

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 39,990

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crossnerd

fair enough

sorry if I implied you had bad reading comprehension. Definitely did not mean that

fwiw I am not holding it against CC and IRTM that the forgot about the game. It happens. It didn’t put me out at all—I already had subs lined up. I sent them a PM to this effect and they are more than welcome to play in this game.

Sorry if my posting was hostile. I just wanted all sides to feel heard.

05-06-2021 , 05:14 PM

#140

Doctor Zeus

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 11,760

I'd prefer start day tomorrow. Then I can target my first post being post 5,000.

05-06-2021 , 05:40 PM

#141

Birdman10687

Not a Troll IRL

Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 39,990

one mo

05-06-2021 , 06:11 PM

#142

jonnyd

hey guys

Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 28,318

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deli_

Player, annoyed with specific trends they've noticed with another player: Hey you do this thing that impacts how other players feel. Nothing personal, in-fact I think you're a great person, but can you, uh, stop? I'm frustrated and here is exactly why and how it all makes me feel.

Some POGGERS: How dare you, let's talk about YOU for being a MEANIE for expressing a complaint, instead of focusing on the BEHAVIOR you are upset over because ultimately WE DONT LIKE YOU and are only NICE to the people WE like! WE need to defend THEIR ACTIONS because YOU had the audacity to try to TELL THEM how you feel.

aaaannnnnnnnnd *scene*

This is honestly what it feels like sometimes. LOL. Like, wtf is even going on here. People who weren't even trying to play in this game are chiming in to pile on.

this is silly. real talk if you afforded the same amount of nuance to my post/xnerd/whoever as you did bsballs it’d go a long way. The only reason I chimed in is bc I thought between bsballs post in the 17er post game and then his posting here it crossed the line from grievance to overly personal. I’m willing to concede I’m wrong but that was my initial interpretation.

And fwiw I like bsball more than irtm and cc, i enjoy playing with all 3 but I’ve known him much longer.

Last edited by jonnyd; 05-06-2021 at 06:17 PM.

05-06-2021 , 06:28 PM

#143

Crossnerd

quite smart as well

Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 39,554

I’ve also known bsball longer and we haven’t always gotten along but in recent years I’ve come to really respect him. He’s also been someone who has rightly called me out before over issues where I took things too far, and was really good about just being like Xnerd you’re wrong about this. And I received it and apologized. I should have been better here about making it clear that I think bsball is a good dude with reasonable thoughts and feelings. I just think in this instance he could be more gracious with respect to IRTM and Cc being new parents. Like, I promise you their life is hard enough right now...

I’m sorry if I offended you, bsball. (And Birdman.)

05-06-2021 , 06:41 PM

#144

Deli_

veteran

Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 2,560

Kk Johnny I’ll try to respectfully give some nuance to your post, I’m not unpacking the other ppl lol sorry.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonnyd

is it really that hard to find subs?

I don’t know, but I know it can be stressful for game mods to deal with and bsball being sensitive and protective of a friend who gets **** on a lot on this site is pretty up-standing imo. Obviously I’m biased and have deeper insight into the psyche of the mod in question :shrug:

Quote:

i think tracking flaking like they do on MU could work but also this community is smaller/hopefully better at self regulating.. but if not then yeah we can keep some sort of record

Maybe we’re not as self -regulating as we’d like to be. I appreciate that you are solution oriented here.

Quote:

idk i get the grievances, bsball/birdman, but the way they were shared felt a touch too personalized, especially when remorse was shown. but like.. if it is personal then i think i agree with others suggesting to lighten up a bit.

This is pretty dismissive despite the initial line of understanding. I’ll dive into bsballs post in a minute and explain why telling him to “lighten up” feels a bit like invalidation of his feelings and a mischaracterization of his complaint.

Quote:

im with xnerd here, we're all a lot older now and i think unless there are like high-activity expectations laid out by the mod in the sign up thread then i dont see why such a big fuss. it can be frustrating for sure, and like if you want to have a conversation/change the culture/baseline expectations thats fine but i dont see how singling people out before those expectations are laid out is anything other than taking your larger frustrations out on them.

Nothing wrong with shifting expectations, and it’s fair to suggest culture change convos be held differently. However, seems like he had specific frustrations and wanted to address that person. The larger frustration isn’t being taken out on them, that feels like a mischaracterization of his post.... so let’s dive into that...

Going to do some meta-analysis here.

Bsball starts by airing his grievance in direct response to CC posting about bowing out if people are upset. (This post is following Dustin telling CC nobody is bowing out because of her, which is not true. Bsball is outing specifically because of her. Maybe he was referring to VR outing?)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsball8806

I don't want you to bow out.

I want you to actively participate, or not sign up.

Look, I get that real life is more important than POG (hell, it is for me too), and there will be situations in which yes, people can't post and have to get subbed out. I also understand that people have jobs, and often can't post much, or at all during the day. And while I don't have a child, I also understand that is a huge time commitment and one that can be very unpredictable at times. Heck, there are days I probably shouldn't be posting at all and basically have to find time in between meetings to read the thread.

My main point is that in small games (mostly 13rs, but also 17rs as was evidenced here), it is extremely frustrating when there are certain players that routinely either do not post the vast majority of the day, or do not post at all and have to get subbed out. But only sometimes. We are then stuck in this weird situation where we have to play the game of "is this person here? Are they busy at work and going to post later? Are they pretending to be busy, using their meta of always being busy, to slank in the early game?"

It is even more frustrating when there are people like Luckbox who have basically made it their personal mission in life to ensure that these posters never get lunched D1, to the literal detriment of the village (yes I am still irritated with what happened in the most recent 13r). This gets into a whole other discussion which I should probably have with LB in private about why he acts this way, but suffice to say I think it is counterproductive at absolute best. Like, it would be lovely if I could never get lunched D1 because I have my own personal knight in shining armor ready to defend me early game no matter what.

I understand that over the last several years, POG was kind of barren and 13rs were basically never running at all - so it was basically the Wild West when it came to what is "acceptable" behavior in games. If people post 5 times a day routinely, we just roll with it because we need every single person to get a game running. You can't possibly tell me that it isn't frustrating as all hell, both as a mod and a player, to literally have someone putting effectively no effort into a game.

Seems like he is being compassionate to her situation being a busy working mother.

He then goes on to offer a solution:

Quote:

Like, I suggested that we have a log when it comes to people who have to get subbed out; and if you have to sub out twice or something, you then have to sub in for someone before you're allowed to play games. This would accomplish two things:

1. Only repeat offenders would be punished
2. Would allow for an easier way to get subs so that it wasn't the mod's job to beg people IFF people don't show up

I'd be more than happy to help manasi or DDDD or birdman work on this. I'm just saying that I think it's necessary.

Then frustrations are aired about how he feels on behalf of his friend:

Quote:

I'm frustrated when I see my friend offer to mod game after game, only to have a situation come up where the game literally would have been ruined (possibly only mitigated by the fact that lunching the seer D1 already kind of ended the game) had he not been able to find two last minute subs. And then those same two players come in and sign up for this game like nothing ever happened. Like, that's not okay - and Jack isn't going to say anything about it, but it needs to be said.

In short, bsball was pretty kind and understanding. Yeah he could have posted this in LC or sent a PM, but it seems pretty fair to air a grievance, especially when being this polite and understanding. Other people tacked on, perhaps inelegantly, but that’s not really a bsball problem and honesty he deserves some support given he was frustrated enough to say something and confrontation is hard. He had a point to make, he was sensitive to CC’s life stuff :shrug: what more can he do besides shut up and keep enduring the annoyance OR not playing here? He said something because he obviously wants to ply here so he advocated for a change in behavior from the persons who caused his frustration and game management solutions were offered.

I’m really not sure why there was so much argument over this post, beyond the Luckbox stuff which was always going to incite a debate about LHF strats and d1 lunch stuff.

Last edited by Deli_; 05-06-2021 at 06:51 PM.

05-06-2021 , 06:53 PM

#145

ShipItUp

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 40,490

Deli MVP of the sign up thread imo

05-06-2021 , 07:02 PM

#146

Gadarene

bussing tammates

Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 83,007

I can play if people don't have high expectations

05-06-2021 , 07:03 PM

#147

benneh

hehe

Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 29,207

In for Monday start but please anyone else feel free to in to start tomorrow in my place

05-06-2021 , 07:04 PM

#148

benneh

hehe

Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 29,207

Quote:

Originally Posted by benneh

In for Monday start but please anyone else feel free to in to start tomorrow in my place

Looks like Gad beat me to it

Have fun!

05-06-2021 , 07:06 PM

#149

Deli_

veteran

Join Date: Apr 2021 Posts: 2,560

(13)
A missread issue
Doctor Zeus
metsandfinsfan
Luckbox Inc
Montecore
Kawamii
ShipItUp
Charry
Creature
VoraciousReader
fanmail
Crossnerd
Gadarene

subs:
ladd

mod:
Birdman10687

Run it or four more:
Johnny?
Confirmed troll?
Bsball?
Benneh?
Deli?

I could even try modding if Birdman wanted to play in a 17er. It’s just sending PMs, monitoring the thread, monitoring wolf chat, calling day/night, tracking down subs, and mod killing anyone who references talking to me? I’m interested and throwing that out there if people were gracious with me for my first time doing such a thing.

Last edited by Deli_; 05-06-2021 at 07:12 PM.