does anyone know what the player list is atm?

either would be great

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A missread issue
Doctor Zeus
metsandfinsfan
Luckbox Inc
Montecore
Kawamii
ShipItUp
carolinacoder
Charry
Creature
VoraciousReader
fanmail

subs:
ladd
Gadarene

mod:
Birdman10687


^I think


Charry, I've never done that before but sounds kinda cool.

I honestly don't think I much feel like playing anymore. Comments like this just hurt my feelings and I'm too old for that. Gl.

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Charry that does sound like it could be a fun idea though.

I was super excited to see you on my team because I was looking forward to taking advantage of my meta with you.
And because I saw how you wolfed in your previous game. You played fine and made it to the F3. So the comment isn't fair.

I dont want to hurt anyones feelings but it's not hard to just skate by when you don't post enough to determine alignment lol

Not everyone has time to always post a ton but they can still want to play. We have always accepted players like that into our games.
Always. And not treated them badly for it.

I'm literally not treating anyone badly, but it feels bad for village when someone who has zero to 5 posts some days is in f3. And it also feels bad to rand wolf with someone who has to sub out day 1.
It affects other players is what I'm saying and I'm not being nasty it's just the reality of things.

There were two game days that game where the village early majj'd, d2 with Zeus and D5 with Filthy. So that has to be taken into account there.
On the days we not did not early maj she was there and posting and would have been on those days too-- and maybe we figure out she was a wolf sooner, maybe not.

I don't typically. You have *maybe* played two games with me max. That was an unusual game with unusual circumstances where I didn't get to play two full days because of reasons we've already been over. I get that bsball's pissed he was lynched over me. I don't think he should have been, but I would have made that same exact mistake and played with the same volume as a villager though. I just happened to be a wolf. If day hadn't ended before 6pm on D2 like any normal game I've ever played and/or if I'd been a villager he'd probably have less reason to be pissed because I would have been able to play. Your overwhelming negativity would also have been negated. That wasn't my fault and I'm tired of people acting like I just didn't play because I was a wolf trying to skate by. I did. I did want to play and I couldn't.

That said I wasn't thrilled to have randed on your team either because of comments like the previous one and this one and all the comments to this same end in the last game. If people must have 100+ posts a day in order to play then I guess this game just isn't for me anymore.

Bsball you know I agree with you most of the time but just my 2c you have *no idea* how chaotic and time consuming it is to be the mother of a child under 1yo. IMHO this would be a good time to let one slide.

Just let her try again and chill out.

Don't feel like arguing about it but I've played over 10 games with you over the years. Wolfing with me is an adventure you missed out on.

Well you're not being nice.

The day ending early on days that are not must lynch also affect the players. But you don't seem to care much about that. How do you think I felt trying to help my team and not even being able to post because the day ended with 4+ hours left to go?? And then again two days later. It was a sucker punch feeling if you've ever had one of those. I would have felt the same way in either alignment. It's not a 24 hour a day game. The signups never say you must play all hours of the game. There is, however a clearly stated window of time in which the game is theoretically supposed to be open.

Crossnerd I understand why you don't really play anymore. Hope your little nugget is doing well

I'm sad just thinking about AMI when he sees this mess.

Maybe we should schedule a turbo for this weekend, that'll cheer him up.

also, even no-life ww nerds sometimes zero post a game at some point

I am making this post in the hopes that it will at least diffuse some of the animosity. People are frustrated and I think it is important that frustration gets expressed now instead of in game (as has often been the case in the past).

I modded both of the games in question so I am trying to provide a still biased but perhaps slightly less biased view.

In case anyone does not know, bsball is my best friend. I believe it is reasonable for him to be frustrated and I think his post was well written. I feel like most people did not attempt to have any empathy for his position (Monte the surprisingly rare exception). I am not sure why so many people on this forum receive all manner of empathy but others do not--but that is a discussion for another time.

I do not judge anyone at all for how much time they want to devote to werewolf. I think we can all agree it is an incredibly dorky hobby that we are all embarrassed to tell anyone irl about. Basically the less time you spend on a werewolf game probably the better of a person you are--I say this as someone who is almost always the leading poster in every game they play.

However, I will not pretend that someone who devotes far less time to the game is going to be as good or effective as someone who devotes a lot of time. I coach sports and the idea that someone could practice 1 hour a week would be tapping their full potential as compared to someone practicing 2 hours a day is ludicrous. That applies to basically any activity ever. There is this weird delusion on POG that some people are just "gifted" at it which is typical bullshit. We've all seen how much Shortline sucks now that he has no time for the game. He will be the first to admit it. He owns a company and is super busy. He has his own life and if he wants to play werewolf and spend 10 minutes a day participating, good for him. But no one should pretend he can still be good doing that.

Bsball is frustrated because when he plays he takes the game very seriously and puts in a ton of time into the game. Compare that to CC and IRTM who spend far less time on the game. Hopefully that is not controversial? Seems like even suggesting that is the reality is offensive. CC and IRTM clearly have busier lives than bsball or me or lots of other people who spend a ton of time on the game. They are great people. They are very smart. I am sure with infinite time they would be some of the best werewolf players on POG. But they don't have infinite time and they don't put as much time into the game as bsball. All of that is totally fine. Nothing wrong with that--that is the reality of playing werewolf on the internet with (relative) strangers. Soem people have lots of time others have very little (or some people just WANT to devote a lot of time while others want to devote very little). So the frustration comes when that level of effort is not taken into account, as it absolutely should be, when it comes time to deciding who to vote off on d1. It's not controversial to say that lunching a super good villager d1 is a bad play--back in the hey dey lunching traz or shortline or anyone else that is super good would never even be on the table. So when it comes time d1 in a game where bsball, who is a super hard working villager and very effective at all stages in the game as a villager, gets lunched over someone who clearly spends much less time on the game (and therefore is not going to be as impactful--see above--not a judgement! just reality!) can be super tilting. I understand that. Especially when you feel there is some weird leeway that some people get while others don't. Why is it ok to lunch filthy instead of shortline (because its filthy and shortline) but it is totally fine to railroad bsball and let cc skate by making 15 posts a day? Why the two different standards?

I think this frustration is exacerbated when the following game both CC and IRTM zero post. I get it was an accident. I am fine with them playing in the next game. I am just explaining where the frustration comes on bsball's part.

Ultimately all bsball said is that he hopes that people will consider others when they are signing up for games. I think someone made the analogy to like "well if you had to cancel on your friends for game night would they just stop invinting you?". And there are a couple reasons I think this is a bad analogy.

1) First, yes, they would stop inviting you. I have a core group of friends that I used to play games with. It was four of us and we played games that really needed four people to make fun. One of those friends perpetually cancelled at the last minute to the point where we had to stop inviting him. Not because we didn't like him but because we all arranged our schedule to make the time to play and then all that would be ruined because he would cancel at the last minute. So we stopped inviting him so this wouldn't happen anymore.

2) A game of werewolf isn't exactly like a friendly get together to play code names. It requires certain numbers to function and certain participation to make work. Other people put in time to a game and having people not post or low post or mail it in can kind of sabotage a game. I got invited to go to dinner with an old friend one night last week and I had to say no because I had to call night in the game I agreed to mod. Everyone has lives. Everyone makes the choice to devote some time to the game so everyone can enjoy it. It's not unreasonable for bsball to say "hey if you don't have time to play, please don't sign up". I am not sure how that is controversial or why anyone would take offense to that simple request.

I have gone back and read bsball's post several times to try to find why it has upset CC (or IRTM). I think you both know you made a mistake (you've both said so), and someone asked you to please be more considerate--and asked in a nice way! No one asked you not to play--bsball specifically said he wanted you to put in effort if you are going to sign-up.

If you are saying the last two games are reflective of the level of effort you hope to put into games when you sign up then I think you probably shouldn't sign up. However, the thing is, I think it is not reflective of that. And I think YOU agree that the last two games are not your normal level of effort.

So where we are is that:

1) The last two games have frustrated bsball (and a few other people) and they were open and honest about that.

2) CC and IRTM feel that those two games are not indicative of what they normally put into a game.

Can we just agree those last two games weren't great and that going forward we should ALL be considerate of other people's time when signing up for games? We are all adults (I think). Don't make commitments that you can't keep when not keeping them means others have made sacrifices for nothing.

Surprisingly rare exception? Ok then!

sorry I was making a joke

just friendly joshing!

I have to respond to this here because I've been the under scrutiny here for this.
And so it needs to be made clear that there was no double standard here. The people who wanted to lunch bsball did so because they thought he was a wolf. Yes it was a horrible read and yes it was driven by villagers-- but they thought he was a wolf. That is why he got voted. I was very much opposed it and I was also opposed to CC. That was my mistake, but I am not the one responsible for what happened to bsball in that game and the people complaining about me white knighting cc really do need to take those complaints elsewhere.
But it is certainly horrible what happened to bsball. Just as all the times I've been one of the top posters and been lunched on d1 have been awful too. Sometimes villages make awful decisions on d1. Happens a lot actually.

If I didn't know any better, judging by the post count in here I'd think we were playing a mash/vanilla+ with 40+ players lol

My view is that, given the fact that d1 reads aren't much better than rand, the village-optimal play most d1s is to lunch low-impact players almost always.

The rare exception is when, for whatever reason, a wolf totally bombs and makes themselves obvious super early in the game.

The thing you do Dustin, that I think people are expressing frustration with is that, yes, in that one specific instance you didn't want to lunch bsball d1.

You refuse to lunch cc 100% of the time on all d1s in every game.

Do you understand the difference there?

wolfy post tbh charry