check it through, stand pat, check/fold

is that a common line?

From weak players it is. You'll never see it from anybody halfway decent though.

*I've been swinging a ton in the last 36 hours. I was +300 in my daytime session and then dropped 500 last night, 2 tabling 3-6 till 7am. I ran insanely awful. So many 7s went down where I was not able to only put in 2 big bets like in the hand I just posted. I spewed some too like I sometimes do.... but I've turned it all around today +400, running awesome too

obviously

that doesn't really answer my question though =p

well. I'm not exactly sure what your question is. But a 9 versus two opponents both drawing one on the last draw is a favorite-- but out of position, a weak player might check the turn into two opponents drawing instead of betting out

He is afraid of getting raised but in the process he turns his hand face up and invites people to take shots at him on the river-- which he is obliged to call since his hand looks so weak (which is why I would rarely bluff in that spot)

When they then bet the river I've been bluff-raising some though which is fun.

So I took a shot at 1-2 last night, ran pretty horrible and considering quitting but having a stoploss is for pussies so I carried on and was rewarded with a nice upswing that ended with this hand


Party Poker $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 28677
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $198.00
BB: $340.60
UTG: $655.56
CO: $56.08
Hero (BTN): $633.83

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with A A
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $8, SB calls $7, 1 fold, UTG raises to $38, Hero raises to $128, 1 fold, UTG raises to $655.56, Hero calls $505.83 all in

Flop: ($1277.66) 5 4 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($1277.66) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($1277.66) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $1277.66
UTG shows K K
Hero shows A A
Hero wins $1274.66
UTG wins $0.00
(Rake: $3.00)

Nice

for you grinders- whats the maximum number of hands you guys can play before needing a break. Once I get to 500-600 I eithier start to get weak tight or super spewy. Im obviously trying to increase my stamina- but I don't want to do it at the expense of my winrate. Just wondering how long you guys can last and any tricks for lasting longer. I already think about baseball.

This is how "Can I fold KK 300bb deep?" threads get started

I played that session there continuously and I've played even longer without breaks (other than bathroom breaks etc)

Had a sick weekend in december last year where I first played live from friday to 9 in the morning on saturday. Got up around 4-5 and played for 24 hours then I went to bed to catch some sleep before the million and played for another 8 hours

(yes I'm a degen sicko)

Villain in that hand is a big fish so he probably thought he was good even when I instacalled

depends on the number of tables. some people focus more with more tables, some focus less. i keep my sessions 2 hours or less as that seems to be my limit for playing well. but i try to do 2 per day if i can, with at least an hour break in between.

6max or FR also?

500-1khands ; break; 500-1k hands
That's with 4-6 tables, usually 4

If I feel I get tired make bad decisions/don't think I snapquit (usually :P). If I have an awesome table I'll grind on but constantly remind myself to stay focused.
I can't really grind for hours and hours nonstop.

dustin,

I've never played a hand of triple draw in my life, but what's the deal with cold calling? Is it not better to raise and hope to get it heads up? It's pretty much accepted by everyone that cold-calling in LHE is very rarely correct and I can't think of a time that's at all common where it'd be correct from the CO when a decent MP opens. I guess if it's something like the button and blinds are very likely to call 2 or 3 but not likely to raise if it gets to them and you've got a small pair then it's probably the best of the three options, none of which feel good. That probably happens live fairly often (wherever the hell a limit game is going), but online even at small stakes I can't really see that spot coming up.

Tokyo- 8 tabling FR while surfing 2p2 usually.

Hands run so close that I don't think its important as it is in LHE.

In holdem both players are going to miss the flop a lot and so the player who has taken the betting lead +position is going to take down more than his fair share of pots; that isn't the case in triple draw.

Not to say that position isn't hugely important, and so oftentimes I will 3 bet to isolate/try and buy the button.

If I'm already on the button with a decent 2 card draw I don't see too much of a point in bloating the pot and if the blinds do come along I'll most likely be getting the best of it anyways.

My cards do have some effect. I'm probably more likely to isolate with something like 234 or 235 than 237 or 247 as the latter hands play better multiway.

Any 1 card draw hands that I'm playing are getting 3 bet and capped regardless of position.

so right after that little discussion we had about concierge, there's a thread in the zoo today about how stars isn't gonna let people get away with abusing it anymore. details still forthcoming

90 mins-2 hours of 6-tabling 6-max before my play starts to suffer though lately i have been able to push that a bit longer

1k-2k hands which ends up being 1-2 hours

I can usually play about 1K hands before I start going stir crazy and need at least a little break (about 1 1/2 hours)

Jared,

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/21...6/#post7645470

A couple good posts in this thread about the merits of coldcalling vs 3 betting in deuce

I decided to put in a session. I instantly crack aces with kings for $600, I'm distracted opening a new table and accidentally try to double up a halfstack by getting it in with a set on a four-straight board, but I river a chop. I somehow get a guy to call off $500 with AQo preflop at 2/4 and my aces hold against him and the shortstack's tens. I do lose a mainpot where I got it in good against two players who had two different draws, so I wasn't 100% in godmode. =p But I do hold up against some other halfstack fishie so within 30 minutes I've lost all motivation to keep playing. So 15 minutes later I just close down my tables for a $1600+ win. Or at least I try to. I apparently forgot to sit out at the final table.

But if I'm stuck I can play 8 hours no problem.

same here

if i win a 12/180 within my first 3 hours of playing, i'm probably not playing more than 4

otherwise i play at least 6

*** DEALING HANDS ***
Dealt to xDKG [2c Ts 5d 6d 9d]
Pipcelot: folds
TwoCardBrag: folds
boffo: raises $3 to $6
swishes2000: folds
xDKG: calls $3
*** FIRST DRAW ***
xDKG: discards 2 cards [Ts 9d]
Dealt to xDKG [2c 5d 6d] [8c Ks]
boffo: discards 2 cards
xDKG: bets $3
boffo: raises $3 to $6
xDKG: calls $3
*** SECOND DRAW ***
xDKG: discards 1 card [Ks]
Dealt to xDKG [2c 5d 6d 8c] [9h]
boffo: discards 1 card
xDKG: bets $6
boffo: raises $6 to $12
xDKG: raises $6 to $18
boffo: raises $6 to $24
Betting is capped
xDKG: calls $6
*** THIRD DRAW ***
xDKG: discards 1 card [9h]
Dealt to xDKG [2c 5d 6d 8c] [9s]
boffo: stands pat
xDKG: checks
boffo: checks
*** SHOW DOWN ***
xDKG: shows [2c 8c 5d 6d 9s] (Lo: 9,8,6,5,2)
boffo: mucks hand
xDKG collected $71 from pot


This was my very first hand at the table and the villain was totally unknown.
I've been trying not to spew today. This is pretty much an example of what makes triple draw an awesome game.

I was folding the river too

PokerStars Game #24608616906: Omaha Pot Limit ($1/$2) - 2009/02/04 22:07:09 PT [2009/02/05 1:07:09 ET]
Table 'Saturn II' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: roboblack777 ($38.95 in chips)
Seat 2: hoodiewho ($497 in chips)
Seat 3: qmrw ($229.55 in chips)
Seat 4: illegitimate ($200 in chips)
Seat 5: $MooneeyG$ ($114.85 in chips)
Seat 6: chim17 ($374.60 in chips)
roboblack777: posts small blind $1
hoodiewho: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to chim17 [Jd 6s 9h Qh]
qmrw: folds
illegitimate: folds
$MooneeyG$: raises $4 to $6
chim17: calls $6
roboblack777: calls $5
hoodiewho: folds
*** FLOP *** [4d 4s Kc]
roboblack777: bets $2
$MooneeyG$: calls $2
chim17: folds
*** TURN *** [4d 4s Kc] [4h]
roboblack777: checks
$MooneeyG$: checks
*** RIVER *** [4d 4s Kc 4h] [Th]
roboblack777: bets $2
$MooneeyG$: raises $8 to $10
roboblack777: calls $8
*** SHOW DOWN ***
$MooneeyG$: shows [Kh Qs Tc Kd] (a full house, Kings full of Fours)
roboblack777: shows [8h 6d 5h 4c] (four of a kind, Fours)
roboblack777 collected $41.90 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $44 | Rake $2.10
Board [4d 4s Kc 4h Th]
Seat 1: roboblack777 (small blind) showed [8h 6d 5h 4c] and won ($41.90) with four of a kind, Fours
Seat 2: hoodiewho (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: qmrw folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: illegitimate folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: $MooneeyG$ showed [Kh Qs Tc Kd] and lost with a full house, Kings full of Fours
Seat 6: chim17 (button) folded on the Flop

isn't drawing 1 there pretty much the worst play? Either stand pat and pray or draw 2? If you're sure a rough 9 is no good then an 865x2 will often be no good as well and you're gonna miss it most of the time anyway. If you're gonna go for a longshot you might as well at least make sure it's gonna be good when you hit it.

I wasn't expecting a 4-bet and didn't know how to handle it. Obviously I should have just stuck with my read that he was f.o.s., but easier said than done I suppose.

But his range definitely doesn't have to be the nuts or nothing either, and a 98 is bad. But with no history on the guy there is no possible way I can fold.

His hand btw was J8432 which is pretty bad play on his part imo since he isn't really gaining much equity staying pat with the jack (especially when he doesn't bet the river) and his draw is really smooth

*I'm definitely patting better nines, but I also play better nines differently in that spot.