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01-16-2018 , 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by iversonian
$2200 eff
5-10

CO (reg, loose, flats too often pre) straddles 20, action starts on button. Bad player calls in MP. I raise 80 with KQ in the HJ, straddler reraises 220. I call.

Flop: KJ9 $475

Checks through

Turn: 4

Checks through

River: 8x

How much do you bet on the river? On the turn??
you gotta bet the turn. sizing isn't all that important, probably smaller is better. but you have to be the turn

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Originally Posted by iversonian
Stacks $1100
5-10

Button (tight grinder) opens $35. I (SB) 3! $100 with AT. Loose reg in previous hand calls cold in BB. Button calls.

Flop: $300 A53

I check. BB bets $145. Button folds. I call.

Turn: $590 K

I check. BB bets $240.
raise bigger pre. never folding the turn. calling is better than raising
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01-16-2018 , 03:05 AM
$1600 eff
5-10-20 (straddle)

I open AK $65 in MP. Button (same loose reg) flats. BB (no reads) 3! $220. Me and button flat. I think I am ok playing 3 way with button. I'd 4! with AKo.

Flop ($685): Q84

Checks through

Turn A

BB bets $400.
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01-16-2018 , 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
raise bigger pre. never folding the turn. calling is better than raising
Is it really not close?
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01-16-2018 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by iversonian
$1600 eff
5-10-20 (straddle)

I open AK $65 in MP. Button (same loose reg) flats. BB (no reads) 3! $220. Me and button flat. I think I am ok playing 3 way with button. I'd 4! with AKo.

Flop ($685): Q84

Checks through

Turn A

BB bets $400.
call

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Originally Posted by iversonian
Is it really not close?
you said he's loose and not that good. vs a tight player, i'm probably folding. but vs a bad loose player, i can't fold. if i didn't have Th, i'd think about folding, even vs the bad loose player
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01-16-2018 , 03:19 AM
Bad player opens EP $40. Unknown villain calls. Bad player calls. I squeeze in BB to $200 with 97s. Too loose imo. Do you rather flat than squeeze marginal hands here when playing against bad players?

Only villain calls.

Flop $495: 742

I bet $325. Villain calls.

Turn 4x.

$800 left to play.
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01-16-2018 , 03:35 AM
i've been playing with the same players soooo much, i have been forced to mix it up. sometimes raise, sometimes flat. i think i like raising better, but it depends on stack sizes and how people play post. and i usually like to size it really big, a little bigger than your raise. like maybe 250, depending on stack sizes.

turn is a gross spot. probably giving up.
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01-16-2018 , 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by iversonian
$2200 eff
5-10

CO (reg, loose, flats too often pre) straddles 20, action starts on button. Bad player calls in MP. I raise 80 with KQ in the HJ, straddler reraises 220. I call.

Flop: KJ9 $475

Checks through

Turn: 4

Checks through

River: 8x

How much do you bet on the river? On the turn??
If he has any sort of showdown value then I expect him to autocall any river bet, so make the biggest bet that isn't so large that it makes him stop and think. And if this guy is loose-passive then I wouldn't defend against his threebet.

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Originally Posted by iversonian
Stacks $1100
5-10

Button (tight grinder) opens $35. I (SB) 3! $100 with AT. Loose reg in previous hand calls cold in BB. Button calls.

Flop: $300 A53

I check. BB bets $145. Button folds. I call.

Turn: $590 K

I check. BB bets $240.
Call I guess. Fold unimproved on the river to a sizable bet. Or did you want to shove as a semibluff? It might work. Or he might have Ah8h. Who knows.

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Originally Posted by iversonian
$1600 eff
5-10-20 (straddle)

I open AK $65 in MP. Button (same loose reg) flats. BB (no reads) 3! $220. Me and button flat. I think I am ok playing 3 way with button. I'd 4! with AKo.

Flop ($685): Q84

Checks through

Turn A

BB bets $400.
Seems close between shoving and calling. If you can get action from worse sometimes when you shove then that might be best, but I'd probably lean toward making a hugely +EV turn call accompanied by a -EV river spot.

I would have bet the flop, though. The aggressor I assume will be check-folding in this type of spot on this type of board with most of his air, and the loose player has plenty of stuff in his range that whiffed. If called you'll often have six outs. This is a spot where you want to bluff with the best hand because you're too vulnerable to play for a showdown.

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Originally Posted by iversonian
Bad player opens EP $40. Unknown villain calls. Bad player calls. I squeeze in BB to $200 with 97s. Too loose imo. Do you rather flat than squeeze marginal hands here when playing against bad players?

Only villain calls.

Flop $495: 742

I bet $325. Villain calls.

Turn 4x.

$800 left to play.
Preflop is spew. What range does this guy bet if you check to him? I think you're pretty much pot-stuck unless this guy never bluffs at all (in which case you could just check down and fold to any bet), so I'd be asking myself how to get in the remaining money against the bottom of his range. Standard I guess would just be to shove and hope for the best. But that's why you don't want to be building a big pot preflop with this hand.
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01-16-2018 , 04:35 AM
97s
I shoved. Villain mini-tanks and calls with JJ.

AKs
I called. Button folded. Villain jammed river 9. He had AKo.

ATo 3!
I folded. Really close though. Subtle hints indicate it was a bad fold.

KQs
I did think about making a pot-sized river bet. I tried to size it so 77 would call, but I should have been thinking more about my value/bluffing ranges. V took less than 5s to call.
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01-16-2018 , 04:51 AM
That Stars spin minigame is really stupid. It took forever do to these spins and I always get some stupid pop-up message when I play 3 games and got only one dollar for all that trouble.
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01-16-2018 , 05:02 AM
Bonus hand with loose reg. One of the earlier hands I played with this villain.

I open CO with AJ $30. Villain flats button.

Flop ($75): K86

I bet $40. V calls.

Turn ($155): 3

Checks through

River: J

I bet $85. Get called with K4
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01-16-2018 , 05:43 AM
open bigger pre

betting the flop is ok, but i probably check
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01-16-2018 , 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by iversonian
i think the idea that you hate hate hate playing a big pot OOP and that button can get away with playing almost atc with huge stacks is out of date by about 5 years or so. modern pros and solvers have demonstrated otherwise, from what i hear and read.


That’s definitely true. Call the sb with junk and make good decisions is definitely a thing these days.
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01-16-2018 , 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by iversonian
$1600 eff
5-10-20 (straddle)

I open AK $65 in MP. Button (same loose reg) flats. BB (no reads) 3! $220. Me and button flat. I think I am ok playing 3 way with button. I'd 4! with AKo.

I would 4 bet pre here. I would flat with AKo. I am not thrilled that my defaults are the reverse of yours.
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01-16-2018 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by iversonian
Bad player opens EP $40. Unknown villain calls. Bad player calls. I squeeze in BB to $200 with 97s. Too loose imo. Do you rather flat than squeeze marginal hands here when playing against bad players?

Only villain calls.

Flop $495: 742

I bet $325. Villain calls.

Turn 4x.

$800 left to play.
what're we 3 betting for value here? has to be pretty tiny and we are calling with tons of hands

as played we just shove turn because ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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01-16-2018 , 12:35 PM
On the KQs hand, I don't see how betting $300 on the turn can possibly be bad.
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01-20-2018 , 02:44 PM
Still busting stacks taking names in the zero prize money tournament. Top 5% stack.

1000/2000/300,

70k stack opens to 6k, 70k stack calls, 50k stack ships.

I’m in the B.B. with 200k and Kk. Does it make any difference if I flat vs jam?
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01-20-2018 , 03:10 PM
no
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01-20-2018 , 03:35 PM
Nah. Ram it in.
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01-20-2018 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Nah. Ram it in.
It took a few seconds for the brain cells to warm up... Excellent.

Last edited by Mark_K; 01-20-2018 at 04:08 PM. Reason: I actually already had the thread closed when the lightbulb went on
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01-20-2018 , 07:11 PM
in a real game you probably should jam. in a game for no money you should probably call, or go do something better with your life ;p
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01-21-2018 , 12:52 AM
If you slowroll a chop, is it still a slowroll?
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01-21-2018 , 02:01 AM
it's my standard to slowroll a chop, and usually throw in some acting too
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01-21-2018 , 03:13 AM
Decent outing tonight. Lots of bads.

Check out this hand, my first one:

AK in CO. Two limpers. Raise $50 and get 2 calls.

Flop ($165) A43

Bet 100, call, call.

Turn ($465) A

c c bet $150, call, call

River ($915) 4

c bet $700, I call, fold. He had nothing. And one of the players at the table taunts him saying that that was the only time he'd ever seen him bluff. The most random button clicking ever.

***************

Real hand:

5-10

AA raise UTG $35. Middle-aged Middle Eastern savvy but overly exploitative-type player calls, one other payer calls.

Flop ($130): AK4

I bet 65 call fold.

Turn (260) 9

I bet 140, raise 500. Villain has another 1700 behind. Calling >>> raising, right?

*******************

Loose bad button-clicking semi-wild player raises a limper to $50. I reraise KQ on the button (almost for value, partly because just calling sucks, but very happy to take it down ldo) to 160. Limper and villain call.

Flop (495) K94

c, villain leads 350, I call, fold

Turn (1195) 5

c c

River T

check. I bet 450.

Last edited by iversonian; 01-21-2018 at 03:19 AM. Reason: edited first hand; ace not queen
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01-21-2018 , 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by filthyvermin
in a real game you probably should jam. in a game for no money you should probably call, or go do something better with your life ;p


I tried to quit part way through because the system was sending me obnoxious messages about holding the game up, but somehow it wouldn’t let me.
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01-22-2018 , 07:53 AM
a couple limpers. i'm in mp with AKo, i raise it up to 75. 3 callers.

flop(300)847cc
checks through

turn 4d
an early limper bets 250
i call

river(800)2h
he jams 1100
i call

he mucks
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