i made a bet with a coworker that he writes a bot to play open-face chinese and i play against it $5 a point for 100 hands or until someone loses $500. i can also bring a ringer to play for me if i want. also, another coworker wants in on the action (to write a bot) and wants to bet $1500. no cribbing from any existing software, except for basic poker hand libraries and such. anyone want some action?

I think my money’s on the bot, but I’d be dumb to bet on it without knowing how competent your friend is.

The other thing is stupid nitty, but there’s a thousand sob stories on this site about people getting screwed as banker; if I were you I’d tighten up procedures, like, a lot.

22k downswing last 3 sessions

10/20/40 i open ugt+2 140 with JJ pro makes it 550 i call

flop(1170) Qs8c5s
check
check

turn 7h
check
he bets 550
i call

river 6s
check
he bets 2000
i shove 9900

he calls with 9h8h

is he meant to fold the river with that hand and that action and this opponent?

well, that was my hope. i didn't think he had a 9. but i thought he might fold a 9, even if he had one.

people were surprised he called

it was the biggest bluff of my life

Not even the nut flush blocker!

How often would you, bet or c/r your flush draws on the turn? I get the feeling he can reduce the chances you have the flush by a lot.

yeah, your line doesn't rep very much

Line check

5-10 NL

I'm in the SB with $2,000+, late MP opens to $35, he is young and has been relatively tight but has only been at the table for a couple of hours, folds to Button who flats, he is the spot at the table (unless I am) an MAWG who limps way to often pre and plays straight forward post.

I 3 bet to $140 with A 5, raiser calls and the button folds.

Flop is 774 rainbow check to me. I bet $165, he calls. I bet because this flop misses both of us nearly all of the time and I have a stronger range.

Turn is about the best card in the deck for me a 6 bringing a flush draw that I don't have. I bet $400. I'm putting him on an overpair, probably 88-JJ maybe QQ, along with some strong overcard hands AK, AQs. I think he folds enough to make betting profitable here, since I effectively drawing to the nuts.

River saves me from having to bluffshove $1400 as it is a 3 which doesn't complete the flush. I bet $600. Should I just shove?

pre - A5s is a hand I also have in my 3 bet range
Flop - sometimes I check sometimes I bet.
Turn - definite bet here
River - I think shoving is better than 600 here. The flush draw missed and there aren't many 5's in your range, so if he is going to call 600, I think he calls 1400 > often enough to make it more EV. (if my math is right 1400 is about pot size)

I like it much better on the button. 200bb deep it feels a little problematic to be 3 betting from the SB. I guess targeting the fish makes sense.

River seems like a must shove

Well I guess that's only if you bet. Can you ever check call here? Feels like having no check call range is sorta ok.

you want to 3bet from the sb because you don't want to play post flop out of position.

when you're oop, you want more money going in before the flop. position is more advantageous the deeper you are. so when you make a big 3bet it makes stacks shallower. position matters less.


targeting the fish is actually the opposite of what he is doing here. fish called an open. if AK calls from sb, then he is assured of playing a pot with the fish. the fish's range is much weaker than the opener. the opener is much more likely to call or raise, while the fish is more likely to fold.

so basically the opposite of everything you said

Yeah, I’ve always found the argument that we’d prefer a smaller stack to pot ratio to reduce the disadvantage of being out of position and we can achieve that by doubling the size of the pot to be highly suspect. Like, I appreciate I’m the fish here, but it strikes me as really sketchy.

Edit: I guess I imagine that if we’re short enough that a 3bet leaves like a bet or so left, I’ll buy it, but up at 200bb I think we’re still at a big disadvantage and playing a mahoosive pot.

i think the idea that you hate hate hate playing a big pot OOP and that button can get away with playing almost atc with huge stacks is out of date by about 5 years or so. modern pros and solvers have demonstrated otherwise, from what i hear and read.

A5s from the sb at 200bb is pretty crap. you're right. it's a bluff. but it's a really nice hand to balance your range with other hands you're 3betting. and it's a hand you can 5bet too. it's gonna get a lot more folds pre than 3betting a hand like TT or 87s. the ace in your hand means your opponent has less hands he can call with.

and yeah, you're right. you don't wanna bloat the pot just because you're oop. but being oop is one more reason to make the pot bigger pre.

when i have a big skill advantage, i'm pretty happy playing atc with position and deep stacks. but only if i have a big skill advantage, which i usually do.

i'm actually usually pretty happy playing oop too if we are deep and i have a nice skill advantage, atc pretty much.

my point is that position matters more the deeper you are. it's not the main factor. it's just one of the factors.

I feel like I am completely mind melded with filthy on this.

With a fish in the pot this is just FPS though, I think.

btw, I'm curious as to what you put him on with that action and that bet size which beat a pair of jacks but wasn't a flush or the top end of the straight

my hand isn't completely face up, but i think JJ and TT are a huge part of my range. i could see him doing this with two pair, overpair, and a set, and low straight. probably not. probably just terrible spew by me, but it's what i was thinking at the time.

also thinking he can only call me with a flush or a straight, and he can't have those too often

I don't see how JJ and TT are a huge part of your range. Surely 99 would be weighted equally with them, so right off the bat that reduces JJ/TT to just 2/3 of your holdings. Are you defending with 66 preflop in this spot? If so, you'd probably play it this way up until the river. Do you ever slowplay, especially vs perceived weakness? If so, add in 88/77 with some frequency. And you're hoping to represent a flush when you raise, so presumably he'd have to put that in your range when he's deciding to bet.

12 combos of JJ and TT

6 combos of 99

12 combos of sets, and i would have had check the flop and the turn with them, pretty unlikely.

"huge" is overstating it. you're right. but i'm gonna have a pp a lot of the time here, and JJ/TT is mostly likely of all the pairs

it was a bad play. not the first bad play i've talked myself into in the heat of the action, and sadly it won't be the last

$2200 eff
5-10

CO (reg, loose, flats too often pre) straddles 20, action starts on button. Bad player calls in MP. I raise 80 with KQ in the HJ, straddler reraises 220. I call.

Flop: KJ9 $475

Checks through

Turn: 4

Checks through

River: 8x

How much do you bet on the river? On the turn??

Stacks $1100
5-10

Button (tight grinder) opens $35. I (SB) 3! $100 with AT. Loose reg in previous hand calls cold in BB. Button calls.

Flop: $300 A53

I check. BB bets $145. Button folds. I call.

Turn: $590 K

I check. BB bets $240.