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09-17-2017 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by soah
Is it even profitable to call that threebet?
Not sure, I definitely fold vs players I perceive as good or if the loose cold caller isn't there.

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Originally Posted by aaronk56
With the 3 bettor behind you I think checking on the flop is completely standard.

Are you planning to fold if either villain shoves over your turn raise or if either villain calls the turn and shoves the river? I can't see how since you would only need 20% equity to call so I don't like your raise size. At the table I probably shove over the bet on the turn and be ok with taking the pot down. Sitting at the computer I think call the bet and calling the river is probably best. The big problem with just calling the turn is that if the player behind you calls, you can be in a tough spot on the river if the SB bets again.

Ran this through PokerSnowie, it folds preflop both times, checks the flop, flats the turn but then shoves the river after you raise the turn.
Of course I wouldn't fold to a shove but I'm not sure how that makes the sizing worse. Planning on making a thin call when facing a shove isn't a good reason to shove myself.

The problem with calling turn is it makes the opponent plays closer to optimal, which in this case means including more bluffs. Thats a bad thing because I probably can't call if a flush fills out on the river and he bombs. Once I raise my opponent will be completely transparent, so I get some value there.

The Snowie results makes sense, its a pre flop fold at equilibrium for sure; my raise size is bad if villain will play tough against it; gto will shove river with all strong hands because it expects a lot of bluff catchers. The only worse hands that may call in practice are AK/22.

The spot is confusing for me because all the exploits are playing in the exact opposite direction of the equilibrium.

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Originally Posted by pwnsall
shove river seems mandatory
See above, you have a lot more non-HU experience than me so I assume you're right, just couldn't come up with as many combos I beat as ones that beat me. I guess it also depends on if he ever checks his flushes there.

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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
KK seems unlikely when he doesn't shove the turn, so you're only losing to XXcc.
And a lot of those bet the flop anyway don't they?
I don't think he leads the flop with a flush draw. What am I beating that cold calls a 3b oop, b/c turn and will call my shove?
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09-18-2017 , 09:01 AM
How many flushes does he even have? 2-3?

After checking probably like half a combo of flushes.

I don't see much reason he can't have ak and call river shoves anyway.
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09-18-2017 , 06:18 PM
The description gave me the impression that he could have a lot more flushes than that. And I'd discount AK a lot based on him tanking before calling the turn raise.
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09-18-2017 , 08:37 PM
So does he have kq off or kj off?

A7 suited or a2 suited?
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09-20-2017 , 09:42 PM
88207682-151 - Bellagio II
Holdem No Limit ($2/$5) Holdem
Wednesday 20 Sep 2017 9:37:55 PM
1: Dollarnguyen
2: JoeCampisi (Dealer)
3: billyboy125
4: trufflebluffer
5: tom631bluffer
*** BLINDS ***
billyboy125 Posts Small Blind $2.00
trufflebluffer Posts Big Blind $5.00
*** PREFLOP ***
trufflebluffer Hole Cards: 4c,5s
tom631bluffer Folds
Dollarnguyen Calls $5.00
JoeCampisi Folds
billyboy125 Folds
trufflebluffer Checks
*** POSTFLOP ***
Community Cards: 3d,Qs,2s
trufflebluffer Bet $9.00
Dollarnguyen Calls $9.00
*** POSTTURN ***
Community Cards: 3d,Qs,2s,Td
trufflebluffer Checks
Dollarnguyen Checks
*** POSTRIVER ***
Community Cards: 3d,Qs,2s,Td,Ac
trufflebluffer Bet $22.50
Dollarnguyen Raises $97.50
trufflebluffer went All In $942.73
Dollarnguyen went All In $461.50
*** SHOWDOWN ***
trufflebluffer Shows 4c,5s
Dollarnguyen Shows 2c,Ah
*** END OF GAME ***
trufflebluffer won $1143.00 from Pot 1 with Five High Straight
trufflebluffer had $406.23 returned from uncalled Pot 2
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09-21-2017 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by ibavly
Second visit to filthys spot to see his wild games. In 6 hours of 5/10/20 nobody other than myself had multiple 3bets. One hand utg limped AA and +1 limped KK. Zero interesting hands worth sharing but still up a couple bi.
played there tonight. 4 hour session. seemed like 50 3bets. probably not that many. i think i was the only one to multiple 4bet. maybe not.

it was a very tough table, tougher than any at commerce. kinda stupid of me to play it, but i was playing great... til i wasn't
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09-22-2017 , 12:59 PM
Still in town? I'll probably go again tonight
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09-22-2017 , 07:03 PM
It's so weird that filthy's reality tends to differ wildly from others' reality. Must be something in the yogurt.
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09-22-2017 , 07:30 PM
reality is subjective
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09-22-2017 , 09:26 PM
My guess is he was sitting at the feeder game,and it was a lot softer than the main game
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09-22-2017 , 11:38 PM
Playing with Filthy and he offers $10 per orbit for whoever 3bets the most. Whatre you doing man!
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09-23-2017 , 12:13 AM
sounds like a good game
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09-23-2017 , 02:59 AM
Ibavly flopped a set vs me and I doubled him up. Bastard!!!
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09-23-2017 , 03:02 AM
And the game want me giving $10 to whoever 3bet the most. I was trying to get the whole table to give $10 each every orbit to whoever 3bet the most
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09-23-2017 , 03:08 AM
but what did you pay him off with?
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09-23-2017 , 03:46 AM
Yeah unfortunately I then gave it all back and more at the main game. It's not an easy game but there's a few players who are too loose and don't size well.
You definitely did the right thing leaving that game.
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09-23-2017 , 03:54 AM
Also so painfully slow. 10-15 hands per hour
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09-23-2017 , 05:24 AM
I was stuck 3k. Up 6k. Currently up 1k. Had man crazy hands....

I 4bet AsQs. KK called and another guy called. Flop AA5. Checks to me. I bet. They both call. Turn 5. Checks around. River K. I bet real small and get called.

Another one I open Ks9s. I get 3bet. I call. Flop AsKc5s. He bets I call. Turn Tc. He bets I call. River Ts. He jams I call. He has AA. 6k pot.

And I lost 2k while writing this post. So now I'm stuck 1k
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09-23-2017 , 08:06 AM
Finally quit. Wild session. Game is still going, but I'm too tired to think straight.
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10-07-2017 , 12:32 PM
I have a filthyesque cool story

2/5

It's like 3 am. I have 3k+, guy to left has me covered. $10 button straddle has 2k. One limp, I limp 53cc, big stack limps, 4 to flop. It's 4c Qc x, but I only see one club. (Seat 8 and dead tired)

So I fold to a $30 bet

Run out is of course 6c 7c

Big stack wins pot, shows Ac
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10-07-2017 , 01:33 PM
Speaking of filthy. going to LA in 2 weeks...Where do I find filthy? Commerce?
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10-08-2017 , 09:55 AM
I too will be in LA next week. Will report any filthy sightings.
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10-08-2017 , 10:09 AM
i've been running pretty sexy recently

nothing too crazy though
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10-08-2017 , 01:04 PM
villain is a maniac drinking and having a good time. he sat down an orbit ago and is raising/reraising blind pre flop and getting it in pre for 100+BB with nonsense like J948 but my read is he's competent and is just fooling around. he's up like 1K to this point at 1/2/5.

few limps i limp from EP he makes it 25 from MP folds to me I 3! to 100 he calls. runout is Qd7d3dJc2d we c/c flop and turn river he bets 200 after i check. what's the minimum i should be calling with? Realize he has the open invitation to bet with a wide range of hands for value and I'm not sure what I should be calling with vs. a drunken maniac
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10-08-2017 , 02:22 PM
So I'm assuming the pot is somewhere between 800 and 1200 and he's giving you great odds to call, I would be tempted to call with 2 pair plus based on your description. It would tilt me too much to fold a hand like Q7 and have the maniac roll over AKT9 with no diamonds.
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