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Originally Posted by soah
Is it even profitable to call that threebet?
Not sure, I definitely fold vs players I perceive as good or if the loose cold caller isn't there.
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Originally Posted by aaronk56
With the 3 bettor behind you I think checking on the flop is completely standard.
Are you planning to fold if either villain shoves over your turn raise or if either villain calls the turn and shoves the river? I can't see how since you would only need 20% equity to call so I don't like your raise size. At the table I probably shove over the bet on the turn and be ok with taking the pot down. Sitting at the computer I think call the bet and calling the river is probably best. The big problem with just calling the turn is that if the player behind you calls, you can be in a tough spot on the river if the SB bets again.
Ran this through PokerSnowie, it folds preflop both times, checks the flop, flats the turn but then shoves the river after you raise the turn.
Of course I wouldn't fold to a shove but I'm not sure how that makes the sizing worse. Planning on making a thin call when facing a shove isn't a good reason to shove myself.
The problem with calling turn is it makes the opponent plays closer to optimal, which in this case means including more bluffs. Thats a bad thing because I probably can't call if a flush fills out on the river and he bombs. Once I raise my opponent will be completely transparent, so I get some value there.
The Snowie results makes sense, its a pre flop fold at equilibrium for sure; my raise size is bad if villain will play tough against it; gto will shove river with all strong hands because it expects a lot of bluff catchers. The only worse hands that may call in practice are AK/22.
The spot is confusing for me because all the exploits are playing in the exact opposite direction of the equilibrium.
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
shove river seems mandatory
See above, you have a lot more non-HU experience than me so I assume you're right, just couldn't come up with as many combos I beat as ones that beat me. I guess it also depends on if he ever checks his flushes there.
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
KK seems unlikely when he doesn't shove the turn, so you're only losing to XXcc.
And a lot of those bet the flop anyway don't they?
I don't think he leads the flop with a flush draw. What am I beating that cold calls a 3b oop, b/c turn and will call my shove?