i think flopping a set of aces on a pretty dry board when you're out of position it's ok to check.

when i bet here, i think i get a fold around 90% or more. when i check, he's gonna bet probably around 25%

You have to bet this every time imo, you're giving KJ, KT & JT a free card to hit the nuts and trapping yourself more than anyone else. Getting a fold is fine

Its not like he's folding AQ, QQ or 66 to a raise

I know I'm terrible but why the fsck are we bet calling the flop?

The bet or the call?

The call.

you might be right. i'm not worried about AQ or QQ or 66 though. all the chips will be in the pot no matter what with those hands.

i'm really just worried about him, first of all having a gutshot draw, and second of all hitting his gutshot. at the time, i figured it was much more likely he would bluff at the pot, than have a gutshot and hit his gutshot.

i wasn't really worried too much about backdoor flush draw.

normally, i do cbet most of my range on that flop. but this guy was a bluffer, and i knew he was calling me ridiculously wide pre. like most of the time, even if he hits runner runner, i still win.

if 42s is just above the bottom of his range, then the slider on pokerstove puts that around 85% of hands. and gives him a 3% chance to win the hand

600 in the pot, 2300 behind

eh didn't really consider raising, although you're right it might be the best option. With a big enough raise he may lay down even some strong hands. In general I'll avoid those sort of situations because the risk/reward just isn't great against players you can't predict.

You're getting >5:1 on the flop with a draw to the nuts and many other paths to win the hand. Folding is out of the question. We're about 5k deep btw. Also note my small sizing on the cbet.

You said the flop was all hearts and you didn't have one? Unless there's some missing info it looks like you're fishing for a gutshot straight when you could be already drawing dead?

Yeah, my bad, not a draw to the nuts. Still not close to a fold

Here's an interesting counterintuitive tidbit. In many situations, you'd rather add some weak draw combos to your range (such as the best gutshot draw) rather than strong draws (such as a nut flush draw). Can you see why?

Presumably we need them have those strong draws in their range to be bluff raising right? Also having some gutshots also lets us bluff out on more runouts.

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i called floor last night. there was $400 in the pot. 5 way flop TT4. check check check. guy bets 250. sb calls. everyone else folds. sb says "i have a ten" and they check it down.

what's the issue?
what was the ruling?

Seems fine unless they have a specific rule about this. In a tourney it would not be allowed.

If two guys in the game softplay each other then it gives them added incentive to bet with marginal hands in multiway pots to knock out the other players and then get a free river and showdown.

another part of the story is that i had headphones on, but i was pretty sure i heard him say he had a ten. so i asked him "did you say you have a ten?". he wouldn't give me a straight answer. i didn't think he was blatantly colluding, but i wasn't sure. i was asking to try and clear up the situation. and he was answering me by saying "oh, did i say that outloud? i thought i was just thinking it" "i didn't say it outloud. i was just thinking it" "no, i didn't say that"


floor said "i'll put a stop to that right now"

sb said "what's the problem?"

floor said "we don't do that here. don't do it again"

that was it

I don't play live much but this seems like a perfect response from the floor.

floor did mostly a good job. i think the guy might have genuinely not understood why he shouldn't have done that(aside from being a douche about it). floor could have explained it. i'm not sure floor clearly understood why it wasn't ok.

it's fine, also it's a marginal rule only some rooms even have

Might be a more interesting hand to think about if you don't know my hand, put it in spoilers at the bottom.

5/10/20 2.25k deep I'm covered by both players. V1 is asian 40 yo probably regish but on the loose bad side. V2 is 50ish boisterous type, based on table talk everyone knows him and he's played every game in the state, seen him cold call 3bets multiple times so assume he's bad.

I open to 65 UTG+1, V1 3b MP to 240, V2 call SB, I call

Flop 4c Ks 2c
checks through

Turn 7s
sb bets 400, I raise 1k (leaving 900 behind), MP fold SB tank calls

River Ac
sb checks after ~5 seconds, I tank check

His hand:


My hand:

Is it even profitable to call that threebet?

With the 3 bettor behind you I think checking on the flop is completely standard.

Are you planning to fold if either villain shoves over your turn raise or if either villain calls the turn and shoves the river? I can't see how since you would only need 20% equity to call so I don't like your raise size. At the table I probably shove over the bet on the turn and be ok with taking the pot down. Sitting at the computer I think call the bet and calling the river is probably best. The big problem with just calling the turn is that if the player behind you calls, you can be in a tough spot on the river if the SB bets again.

Ran this through PokerSnowie, it folds preflop both times, checks the flop, flats the turn but then shoves the river after you raise the turn.

shove river seems mandatory

KK seems unlikely when he doesn't shove the turn, so you're only losing to XXcc.
And a lot of those bet the flop anyway don't they?