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01-11-2021 , 04:26 PM

#851

Luckbox Inc

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Originally Posted by SGT RJ

I like maximizing info n1 over vigs or angels, since we have minimal PR targets at the moment.

We do need to get an angel up and running fairly soon, though, I would think, if only to force the wolves to consider we might angel one of their obvious targets.

All very reasonable

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01-11-2021 , 04:26 PM

#852

Cannon fodder

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Originally Posted by Montecore

Your statement about "at least two villagers being roleblocked tonight" is wrong because there are going to be 34 live players tonight, no 34 live villagers

But point taken about the wolves yeeting a farmer

OK, so 1.5 villagers RB-ed this night
I'll concede you your nitpick

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01-11-2021 , 04:26 PM

#853

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gabe which policy do you support?

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01-11-2021 , 04:27 PM

#854

SGT RJ

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Originally Posted by Cannon fodder

OK, so 1.5 villagers RB-ed this night
I'll concede you your nitpick

Monte is the king of the nitpick.

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01-11-2021 , 04:27 PM

#855

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Originally Posted by confirmedtroll

We don’t have enough knowledge of the game mechanics to evaluate, let alone compare, plans. Plans’ « equity » actually depend on the next move of wolves which depends on our next plan, etc. It’s a dynamic game of imperfect information, so comparing plan on step 0 of the game is a futile exercise.

+wolves have more information on:
1) the set of strategies available
2)the opponent’s (the village) action;
which allows them to play closer to equilibrium.

so yeah no plan is « good » per se, but what’s important is that it is mostly decided by the village.

confirmedwolf

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01-11-2021 , 04:27 PM

#856

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Originally Posted by Kukraprout

UD is still weirding me out but since I'm used to her wolf game maybe it's a good sign?

I'm leaning V on her as well, she's nothing like her Broadway wolf game imo

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01-11-2021 , 04:27 PM

#857

SGT RJ

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

All very reasonable

I try.

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01-11-2021 , 04:28 PM

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I don't think funding a vig is awful fwiw.

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01-11-2021 , 04:28 PM

#859

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Did we get confirmation if the two wolf factions know each other's identities

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01-11-2021 , 04:29 PM

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I'd rather not be elected president as I almost certainly won't be around at eod.

same

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01-11-2021 , 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ladd

i am still in favour of nazionalization over 5yp

rest seems fine

Same.

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01-11-2021 , 04:29 PM

#862

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Originally Posted by confirmedtroll

gabe which policy do you support?

Five Year Plan

And I combine it with extra food N1, so that I'm pretty sure we all start day 2 with full belly in case of shenanigans

If we do 5YP and only 2 food and we run into a farmer roleblock and famine (whatever it does, it surely attacks food), me might lose 10 villagers N2 or so

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01-11-2021 , 04:29 PM

#863

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Originally Posted by Cannon fodder

confirmedwolf

I’m ready to engage on a game theory debate. There is no strictly dominated strategies in this type of dynamic game with imperfect info so

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01-11-2021 , 04:30 PM

#864

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Originally Posted by Cannon fodder

confirmedwolf

Ngl I thought his insta turn to understanding game mechanics was wolfy too.

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

I don't think funding a vig is awful fwiw.

Maybe it is bad because what if someone gets spicy and shoots a farmer.

Would be a disaster.

Surely peeking players are better right?

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01-11-2021 , 04:30 PM

#865

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Originally Posted by Chilltown

Why feed 48 players when there's only 30ish in the game?

Seems excessive.

Also I'm willing to yolo on the potential roleblocks. We win faster if they don't get it right?

Of which a certain number are already wolves and fed right? So with 3 we put a whoooole lot of excess food in to feeding us right?

Its only $25, but its money we could use elsewhere.

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01-11-2021 , 04:30 PM

#866

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Originally Posted by Montecore

Did we get confirmation if the two wolf factions know each other's identities

Yes, roles and identities

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01-11-2021 , 04:31 PM

#867

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Originally Posted by Cannon fodder

Yes, roles and identities

Ok so probably somewhere between 1/3 and 1/4 wolves in this game, right?

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01-11-2021 , 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon fodder

And COLLECT+2 food is worse because? looks like 3x food is a waste of resource vs the likelihood of the worse « 2 food » scenario

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01-11-2021 , 04:32 PM

#869

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Originally Posted by Cannon fodder

How many wolves do you reckon there would be? Whats standard?

We dont need to feed the wolves so were realistically only needing to feed 15-25 people right? Not sure how good this logic is

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01-11-2021 , 04:32 PM

#870

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Originally Posted by Chilltown

Ngl I thought his insta turn to understanding game mechanics was wolfy too.

Maybe it is bad because what if someone gets spicy and shoots a farmer.

Would be a disaster.

Surely peeking players are better right?

No you're right. I was thinking we come up with a good consensus kill list but wasn't considering what happens if we killed a farmer.

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01-11-2021 , 04:32 PM

#871

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Originally Posted by confirmedtroll

I’m ready to engage on a game theory debate. There is no strictly dominated strategies in this type of dynamic game with imperfect info so

well, there's the type of players that spew ideas, good or bad
and the type of players that say nothing, but just ask questions or even limit themselves to undermine other people ideas

You are not in the first group

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01-11-2021 , 04:33 PM

#872

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Originally Posted by Chilltown

my post was about how we cannot judge plans because we don’t know mechanics.

« insta turn understanding mechanics »

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01-11-2021 , 04:34 PM

#873

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Originally Posted by Doctor Zeus

How many wolves do you reckon there would be? Whats standard?

We dont need to feed the wolves so were realistically only needing to feed 15-25 people right? Not sure how good this logic is

Food is distributed to wolves too iirc, even though they dont need it.

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01-11-2021 , 04:34 PM

#874

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Originally Posted by Cannon fodder

I called you a villager and thumbed your first strat post this game. What do you want from me

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01-11-2021 , 04:34 PM

#875

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Originally Posted by Doctor Zeus

How many wolves do you reckon there would be? Whats standard?

We dont need to feed the wolves so were realistically only needing to feed 15-25 people right? Not sure how good this logic is

25% wolves, usually

Food is distributed randomly. So 25% goes to wolves and 75% to villagers, on average.
We don't want to underfeed the village when we run 3 relevant NAs

Wolves might have a role that can frustrate a farmer without actually knowing them. Why not?

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