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09-25-2013 , 05:39 PM

#4501

kioshk

Nixonian

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Anarchist

there's a limit to how far back you're allowed to go and this is pushing it

100 Post Rule

edit: maybe 500

09-25-2013 , 05:44 PM

#4502

metsandfinsfan

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Anarchist

there's a limit to how far back you're allowed to go and this is pushing it

Were not that old Annie

09-25-2013 , 05:45 PM

#4503

metsandfinsfan

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Anarchist

there's a limit to how far back you're allowed to go and this is pushing it

Oh you meant ITT

No there isn't

Im randomly reading pages

09-25-2013 , 05:45 PM

#4504

metsandfinsfan

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While playing poker

09-25-2013 , 05:46 PM

#4505

SGT RJ

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Mets I think you sort of missed the point of that post since I wasn't dissing people of faith.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy of saying X tragedy is a punishment for sin when it happens to someone else but saying it's a test from God when it happens to you/your family/your church.

09-25-2013 , 05:51 PM

#4506

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SGT RJ

Mets I think you sort of missed the point of that post since I wasn't dissing people of faith.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy of saying X tragedy is a punishment for sin when it happens to someone else but saying it's a test from God when it happens to you/your family/your church.

Can i diss people of faith? Those people suck

09-25-2013 , 05:51 PM

#4507

metsandfinsfan

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SGT RJ

Mets I think you sort of missed the point of that post since I wasn't dissing people of faith.

I was pointing out the hypocrisy of saying X tragedy is a punishment for sin when it happens to someone else but saying it's a test from God when it happens to you/your family/your church.

I get that but if not for that it would be impossible to have faith

The purposes of religion are to help people believe in a purpose and to create morality

But yes there are tons of hypocrisy in religion. I won't argue that

My reply would be: meh

09-25-2013 , 05:52 PM

#4508

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

I get that but if not for that it would be impossible to have faith

The purposes of religion are to help people believe in a purpose and to create morality

But yes there are tons of hypocrisy in religion. I won't argue that

My reply would be: meh

Wait wait. You cant say the purpose of religion is to create morality when non-religous people can be moral without it

09-25-2013 , 05:57 PM

#4509

DonkDonkDonkDonk

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God created morality ding dongs, along with all the animals and the rainbows

09-25-2013 , 05:58 PM

#4510

metsandfinsfan

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Quote:

Originally Posted by master3004

Wait wait. You cant say the purpose of religion is to create morality when non-religous people can be moral without it

I consider morality and religion to be hand and hand

You are a moral atheist. That's your religion IMO

09-25-2013 , 06:01 PM

#4511

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

I consider morality and religion to be hand and hand

You are a moral atheist. That's your religion IMO

you're doing it wrong then. morality is a societal and personal norm. religion was originally about explaining how the world works. later it essentially became a tool for those in power to control others

09-25-2013 , 06:02 PM

#4512

Crossnerd

quite smart as well

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society created morality. everyone knows this.

mets, you may argue god created man who created society who created morality.

09-25-2013 , 06:02 PM

#4513

kioshk

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oh Jesus, here we go.

09-25-2013 , 06:05 PM

#4514

metsandfinsfan

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kioshk

oh Jesus, here we go.

Icwudt

09-25-2013 , 06:07 PM

#4515

metsandfinsfan

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Crossnerd

society created morality. everyone knows this.

mets, you may argue god created man who created society who created morality.

Im not debating god ITT

I also believe there is an inate morality tho which may or may not have been created from god

09-25-2013 , 06:08 PM

#4516

amplify

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SGT RJ

I was pointing out the hypocrisy of saying X tragedy is a punishment for sin when it happens to someone else but saying it's a test from God when it happens to you/your family/your church.

actually that seems like a really logical approach to event categorization

like how its hilarious if you fall into a sewer but its tragic if I stub my toe

09-25-2013 , 06:08 PM

#4517

Crossnerd

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adonai the existence of inate morality

09-25-2013 , 06:08 PM

#4518

Sun Tzu

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Quote:

Originally Posted by master3004

Wait wait. You cant say the purpose of religion is to create morality when non-religous people can be moral without it

this argument is logically flawed

compare: you can't say the purpose of a garlic press is to press garlic when you can press garlic without one

09-25-2013 , 06:10 PM

#4519

master3004

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

this argument is logically flawed

compare: you can't say the purpose of a garlic press is to press garlic when you can press garlic without one

Youre right. My second post clarifies more what i meant

09-25-2013 , 06:10 PM

#4520

well named

poorly undertitled

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Crossnerd

adonai the existence of inate morality

nice, that's nice

09-25-2013 , 06:12 PM

#4521

amplify

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sun Tzu

this argument is logically flawed

compare: you can't say the purpose of a garlic press is to press garlic when you can press garlic without one

but isn't anything used to press garlic a garlic press for that purpose? like if you press garlic with a salt shaker, it's not a salt shaker during the garlic pressing.

similarly, atheists are behaving theistically when engaged in making moral (but not necessarily ethical) distinctions.

09-25-2013 , 06:14 PM

#4522

atakdog

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Quote:

Originally Posted by amplify

mostly the dawkins-hitchens crowd who see religion as a destructive force in history and who see their devotion to scientific materialism not as a belief system itself, but somehow the end of belief systems, which is demonstrably untrue from the very logical perspective they slavishly proselytize.

I agree that that's the most common argument, but there's a much better one: broad acceptance of faith-based conclusions makes it harder for us correctly to process evidence, because we "learn" that it isn't always necessary and that sometimes it leads to incorrect results. In other words, the more irrational we are, the less often we can be expected to get hard questions right.

09-25-2013 , 06:14 PM

#4523

Sun Tzu

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Quote:

Originally Posted by metsandfinsfan

Im not debating god ITT

I also believe there is an inate morality tho which may or may not have been created from god

what is that even supposed to mean?

how would one create an innate morality?

if morality is "created" by God, then could he have chosen an arbitrary morality where for example, murder isn't wrong but chewing gum is?

the way I see it, any sensible morality is based on principles

if God came to me and told me to kill my son, I would tell him to **** himself and I think I would be more right than him

Abraham failed that test iyam

09-25-2013 , 06:15 PM

#4524

Aksdal

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then you'd get permabanned

09-25-2013 , 06:17 PM

#4525

amplify

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Quote:

Originally Posted by atakdog

I agree that that's the most common argument, but there's a much better one: broad acceptance of faith-based conclusions makes it harder for us correctly to process evidence, because we "learn" that it isn't always necessary and that sometimes it leads to incorrect results. In other words, the more irrational we are, the less often we can be expected to get hard questions right.

your argument presupposes your conclusion: that faith is irrational

this is known as begging the question. I am dissapoint.

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