let's just vote him out

I don't get why mets only ever says this for protesters, but never the cops who are the ones that actually choose violence as THEIR answer to everything

The cops are the violent ones, they cops are the ones that want violence, the cops are the ones who cause violence

the cops spent all week before the grand jury got out preparing for the violence they wanted to inflict

THAT IS THE VIOLENCE YOU SHOULD BE OPPOSED TO

Mets never thinks any form of anything is going to bring change. In this, at least, he's probably right.

Kaep was "This is just going to piss people off, not that way"
Ferguson was "This is just going to piss people off, not that way"
Every single circumstance for people like him are "Man, this is sad, but don't do it like that!"

Maybe if you didn't all blow off Kaep we wouldn't be lighting cities on fire. But Kaep was lol'd, cops kept killing, here we are.

(Note: I'm not actually arguing Kaep could have brought about change, it likely requires violence - just pointing out that even when it was ENTIRELY peaceful they still hated it)

Like wtf did you expect when you kept yelling down to people about not protesting in peaceful manners and the problems kept happening? This is the logical progression of oppression.

It is exactly as I always say in this thread, it was actually the post that Zurvan quoted as his favorite in my politics game. Wish I could find it now but it is based of this from Engels:


https://www.marxists.org/archive/mar...1/prin-com.htm

This is good.

I think you could very easily say that it would be desirable if no cities burned, and those BLM folx involved would be the last to oppose it as well!

But, they've been ignored forever, continued to be killed, and then mocked by people for protesting peacefully. Kaep is a punch line to a lot of America.

Seriously, what did you expect happens after you all laughed at Kaep over and over?

(again, before any semantical response, Kaep is a general catch all for attempts before we got to cities burning)

yep, that's dialectical materialism

brilliant stuff

I know I'm rambling now, but it's hard to believe someone actually cares about the situation when they aggressively shoot down and mock every peaceful attempt at change and then feel sorrow when it comes to violence.

The only other outcome, besides eventual violence, is the oppressed just shrugging and giving up. It seems like that must be the situation most of those mocking them hoped for.

Except revolutions do happen intentionally sometimes.

The American revolution maybe even. I assume it's probably a bit rhetoric and a bit particular about what's considered a real revolution.

I wonder if the Chapelle show/Chapelle had a measurable affect on the view of cops and racial profiling, etc.

like which ones?

maybe to white people

Well, yeah. And music perhaps.

wow, pretty ****ed up

if there was evidence shown to the grand jury that would make them think the cops shouldnt be charged i would like to know what that was, woudlnt you?

if i was on a jury, i'd vote to convict any cop of any crime ever, and any judge too, no matter what the evidence was. i wouldn't even pay attention to the evidence.

i wouldn't be a good jury member

actually that's not true. just upset this morning

im not opposed to a cop using his gun after being shot at

i am not educated enough on the warrant system but it does seem from what ive read about this case in others that it needs a lot of reform. i assume it does.

i dont think these cops indiscriminately murdered her. they had a warrant and were told to come into the house. so yes if there is something wrong with the system that needs to be addressed, my argument was just that in this instance i understand (as much as i can without seeing evidence) why the grand jury would say the cops were within their rights to fire back.

the fact that the warrant itself may have been very suspect and the cops that came to issue it were not the cops that asked for it is a whole nother story and yes needs to be fixed

and seriously go **** a goat in the ass

i am never full of **** i can give two shits about what you think of me and when i say i am sad and i am praying for the peopel of louisville it is .. because i am sad and praying for the people of louisville so stfu with you always acting like i am lying when i show compassion. i probably show a lot more compassion to most things than you do so stop ****ing thinking you know whats in my head

Mets doesnt care. He will never care until he is personally affected by it. Even when he cozies up and gets in to bed with people who literally want the entirety of his people dead, he hems and haws that somehow it's really the other side who are anti-semetic

mcconell said this morning that trump is wrong and there will be a peaceful transfer of power if trump loses

this was good to hear

https://giphy.com/gifs/reaction-dblx5BS577pFm

Also, nobody wants your ****ing prayers. What the **** are they going to do for anybody?

good thing we have trusty mitch mcconel as a check and balance to protect us from corruption

chim i didnt even get mad at the black national anthem being played at every game because i felt this was an effective way to get people to think about black rights without being disrespectful to the flag or anything else

but im in the minority since most people either dont care about it being played or are boycotting the nfl over it

i dont want to rehash the kaep stuff but i still think he was a phony and an opportunist and i think my issue with it was more about how i felt about him and his actual intentions than how i felt about the cause

carlos delgado i believe kneeled for the anthem when he was on the mets in the early 2000s ,, but i believed him when he spoke about it. this year dominic smith of the mets was unbelievable (in a good way) when he spoke about how it is being a black man in todays america. I believed him as well

Camden again reformed their police without violence. they had town halls and the public spoke about what they actually wanted and the city made it happen. Is there still high crime in camden? absolutely,. But people of color are now comfortable calling the police for help, and crime is a fraction of what it used to be, so it should still be the model that most of these other police departments that are hated (rightfully so in many cases) by their communities should strive to become

i dont know how to answer your question of what will., as someone stated, these crimes being spoken about on social media and news 24/7 have created a lot of change already.

I am for change, and have learned a lot about race relations in the US in the past 2 years and many of my opinions have shifted.

Joe Biden immediately came out and condemned the violence
trump is condemning the violence

what are you expecting the riots to do? 2 cops were shot last night; is that going to make them disband the police? No.

i am sorry that i speak my mind sometimes and it causes others to get toxic towards and about me. I am never trying to do that. ever