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like if someone is using a fridge to store their own food ok.

But in this situation it seems like you are just saying "being rich entitles you to hoard stuff"

like where do riches come from that allows that hoarding to take place?

The landlords don't need that fridge. They own it explicitly to collect rent from people.

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10-28-2021 , 11:10 AM

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like are you saying that if you and deli had taken the fridge downstairs from R&C that would have been fine?

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10-28-2021 , 11:13 AM

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Also like, in a much larger sense, it doesn't really get us anywhere to try to adjudicate something so small and irrelevant.

The purpose of that article is clearly pro-landlord propaganda. It is written and published to cause people to feel sympathetic toward landlords and to reduce sympathy towards tenants. So whether what the tenants did was wrong or not is not really the point. And the fact that we are discussing it accomplishes exactly what the article was trying to do.

As you pointed out, bsball, fridge stealing is not some larger systemic issue that society needs to be addressed. Rent seeking is. And that is really what matters.

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10-28-2021 , 11:15 AM

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like are you saying that if you and deli had taken the fridge downstairs from R&C that would have been fine?

I am not sure why you are trying to take the things I have said and use it to figure out some abstract absolutist "right/wrong" from specific situations.

I am saying that as far as society goes, people shouldn't own private property. So when private property gets stolen I don't see that as wrong or a cause for concern.

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10-28-2021 , 11:16 AM

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No one should own private property. Private property ownership is a concept created by a capitalist society. What gives someone a right to hold private property? Where does that right come from? What gave them the ability to hoard that property in the first place? Where does wealth come? When someone has wealth what allows them to keep it?

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10-28-2021 , 11:20 AM

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"stealing" as a concept is based on capitalist property rights. So you can only think "stealing" is wrong if you think those capitalist property right are good.

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10-28-2021 , 11:25 AM

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so it's pretty clear how some rich parasite owning a factory and exploiting all the workers is not fair, but it seems ok if the workers own the factory collectively. is that still private property too?

or maybe the problem is trying to fit fairness in a capitalist system

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10-28-2021 , 11:28 AM

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yeah I mean it gets complex when you are talking about a work co-op operating inside of a capitalist economy. But in general I would say no that isn't "private" property because it is owned collectively. There is, by definition, no exploitation happening.

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10-28-2021 , 11:38 AM

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being a landlord is the same as being a payday lender, right?

like people are so desperately poor they need to take out a payday loan to survive, and pay an absurd fee to someone just because that someone has enough resources to be able to afford to exploit the poor person

and the tenant is too poor to afford to buy shelter, and has to rent from someone who has enough resources to be able to exploit the poor person for being too poor

if there is a difference, i'm not seeing it

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10-28-2021 , 11:47 AM

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Also like, in a much larger sense, it doesn't really get us anywhere to try to adjudicate something so small and irrelevant.

I mean I could argue that you don't get to be the arbiter of what is relevant vs irrelevant, especially in a hypothetical discussion like that

But I won't

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10-28-2021 , 11:49 AM

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i thought birdman was the arbiter of everything

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10-28-2021 , 11:54 AM

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I mean I could argue that you don't get to be the arbiter of what is relevant vs irrelevant, especially in a hypothetical discussion like that

But I won't

Silly comment to make because we are discussing politics and everyone is giving their opinion. So either you can comment on none of it or all of it. But you are saying I can give my opinions on some things but not others?

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10-28-2021 , 11:55 AM

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I think tenants stealing a fridge from a landlord is irrelevant. You clearly don't and are bizarrely taking the landlords side in this. That is your opinion. But I am absolutely allowed to give mine also.

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10-28-2021 , 11:58 AM

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I do think one has to have some pretty garbage politics if it is super important to them that it be established as wrong when some random poor tenants somewhere stole a fridge from a slumlord.

Like what kind of politics must you have where that kind of thing is important?

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10-28-2021 , 12:11 PM

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Honestly, I see why people refuse to talk to you in this subforum.

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10-28-2021 , 12:13 PM

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Silly comment to make because we are discussing politics and everyone is giving their opinion. So either you can comment on none of it or all of it. But you are saying I can give my opinions on some things but not others?

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I think tenants stealing a fridge from a landlord is irrelevant. You clearly don't and are bizarrely taking the landlords side in this. That is your opinion. But I am absolutely allowed to give mine also.

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I do think one has to have some pretty garbage politics if it is super important to them that it be established as wrong when some random poor tenants somewhere stole a fridge from a slumlord.

Like what kind of politics must you have where that kind of thing is important?

This is called inflammatory and escalating language and is something you do all the time. Stop it, please. I say this as your friend. It's insulting, unnecessary, and altogether not at all flattering.

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10-28-2021 , 12:16 PM

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lol plz

stop concern trolling

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10-28-2021 , 12:48 PM

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Nice. 'Landlords' can obviously be treated poorly in certain ways, mostly not directly related to their landlordness, though.

I am skeptical I would enjoy being friends with tenants from the story.

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10-28-2021 , 01:02 PM

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Damn hate when the forum skips a bunch of posts. Or maybe it's just me.

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10-28-2021 , 01:08 PM

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I wouldn't steal a fridge but I've broken a lease or two in my day.

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10-28-2021 , 01:13 PM

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Did you at least clean up a bit before you bailed?

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10-28-2021 , 01:13 PM

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i live in a giant apartment building owned by a gigantic real estate corporation.

i would have snap not paid my rent during the pandemic, but my rich friend had to cosign for me to get this place, and i didn't want to mess her **** up

*sigh* so i just paid my rent

i hear a lot of landlords complain at the poker table about tenants lol especially lately

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10-28-2021 , 01:16 PM

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Hearing poker player slum lords complain has lowered my view of landlords a decent bit. I'm sure they get a decent amount of annoying tenants to various degrees but come on.

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10-28-2021 , 01:18 PM

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The one guy was bragging about his 30% roi after costs including mortgage payment. I mean good for him but really.

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10-29-2021 , 12:05 PM

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hey filthy, has there been any buzz on any of your news sites about Princess Blanding, running for VA governor on the Liberation Party ticket? I hadn't heard of her before today but a quick skim of her policy positions suggests that she'd be a candidate you could support.

I mean, she's not going to win, but maybe she could be a future player?

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