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Old Today, 12:15 PM   #10801
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Re: POG Politics Thread Version 3

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So this kid wouldn't have left if it was $18?

That's not a worker shortage. That's just an owner not paying market wages.

If I go into that Subway, and say "I want a foot-long combo for $2", they will say no.

My response to that can't be "Well, I guess no one wants to sell sandwiches." But an analogous thing seems to be accepted with regards to workers and wages.
The $18 is an outlier. $15 is the currently prevailing market wage.

I think we're disagreeing over definitions. You appear to believe that there is no shortage if higher wages still have any kind of draw. I respectfully disagree, the pool of available workers appears to be inadequate to fill jobs at the prevailing market wage and that further wage increases are seeming to mostly just result in cannibalizing workers from other jobs in the same industry, ergo a shortage.
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Old Today, 12:19 PM   #10802
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Re: POG Politics Thread Version 3

Also note that pretty much any mainstream news article about the "worker shortage" is from the perspective of employers or economists and never from the people looking for work.

Here's one rare piece that actually includes both sides.
https://www.shrm.org/resourcesandtoo...ovid-fear.aspx

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Still, employers report difficulty finding workers. The majority (70 percent) believe expanded COVID-19 unemployment benefits have been the primary factor making it difficult to find workers, prompting half the states to reduce or opt out of them.

Notably, employers in the SHRM research were significantly less likely to believe their hiring difficulties are tied to child care or safety concerns.
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SHRM also polled 1,000 unemployed Americans who were laid off or left their jobs during the pandemic—the majority of whom worked hourly jobs in industries heavily impacted by the health crisis, such as food service and retail. The top reason for remaining unemployed, cited by 42 percent of respondents, was not having received any responses to jobs for which they've applied.

Just 11 percent of respondents said the expanded unemployment benefits made it possible to be more selective about a new job, and 9 percent said they're earning more through unemployment benefits than they would with a job.
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Old Today, 12:24 PM   #10803
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"hiring difficulties are tied to child care or safety concerns. "
Now this I certainly agree with, though it's somewhat less of an issue than it was a year ago with fewer schools being remote and more vaccination.

Benefits will probably be the next wave of escalation in worker incentives.
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Old Today, 12:24 PM   #10804
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Re: POG Politics Thread Version 3

On that note I'm checking out in an a futile attempt to find a fully staffed restaurant at which to lunch.
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Old Today, 12:26 PM   #10805
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The $18 is an outlier. $15 is the currently prevailing market wage.
Well apparently $15 wasn't the market wage for that kid.

Maybe I'm confused, but you seem to be saying what the market wage is while simultaneously saying that it's hard to hire people at that wage. That seems like a disconnect to me.

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the pool of available workers appears to be inadequate to fill jobs at the prevailing market wage and that further wage increases are seeming to mostly just result in cannibalizing workers from other jobs in the same industry, ergo a shortage.
There are millions of unemployed people in this country who are looking for work. I don't see how the pool of available workers isn't there.
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Old Today, 12:28 PM   #10806
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Re: POG Politics Thread Version 3

I agree about the shortage of workers

I put out an open offer for someone to build me a house for 50 cents and I got no interest

it must be that there is a work shortage
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Old Today, 12:31 PM   #10807
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Just had another person not show to an interview...

And of the two who did show up, the one we like the most is working for a non-profit making $23/hr and is looking to leave and take a pay cut to $15.

Which seems shakey...Although apparently we can offer her more.
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Old Today, 12:33 PM   #10808
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The idea that anyone could believe that there is more work that needs doing than we have people to do it is the most naive, laughably absurd thing I think I've read in this thread.

I think if we drilled down though, we would find out what that person actually believes is that the "prevailing wage" that is being offered, which has been stagnant for close to 50 years while the income and wealth of the rich, the 1%'s share of national/global wealth, and societal productivity have all risen exorbitantly, is something workers should just accept because poor people deserve it.
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Old Today, 12:34 PM   #10809
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Just had another person not show to an interview...
why do you think people don't show up to interviews iyo?
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Old Today, 12:59 PM   #10810
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people that are like "workers seem to prefer the job with higher wages, thus making it hard to get people to do the job with lower wages. i feel this is a systemic flaw in our economy" like ok so are you an anti-capitalist now?
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Old Today, 01:00 PM   #10811
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i got another hard pill to swallow for those people...wait until you find out that if two products are offered at different prices, the consumer will often choose the lower priced of the two

and believe it or not this is BY DESIGN. wild stuff
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I was talking to a guy who's a Subway franchisee the other day, he had just hired a kid at $15, kid quit his first day because Taco Bell offered him $18.
sounds like a smart kid
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sounds like a smart kid
booker about to come out as a communist over his dislike of market competition
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Joker was also a good movie. Interview at the end is amazing. I remember lots of fearmongering it would inspire joker murders.

Speaking of remember that weird clown woods craze that happened?
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why do you think people don't show up to interviews iyo?
Because they don't want the job?
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Reddit antiwork is pretty good, a lot of dickhead bosses abusing employees until they quit.
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Because they don't want the job?
why don't they want the job?
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why don't they want the job?
Could be any number of reasons
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Old Today, 01:19 PM   #10819
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Man I've angleshot life good so far
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Old Today, 01:48 PM   #10820
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Just had another person not show to an interview...

And of the two who did show up, the one we like the most is working for a non-profit making $23/hr and is looking to leave and take a pay cut to $15.

Which seems shakey...Although apparently we can offer her more.
This is in a state where the minimum wage exceeds $12/hour?
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Old Today, 03:21 PM   #10821
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Reddit antiwork is pretty good, a lot of dickhead bosses abusing employees until they quit.
Not bad, although I do wonder about how many of those "quit by text" posts are completely fictional.
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Not bad, although I do wonder about how many of those "quit by text" posts are completely fictional.
I would guess most of them aren't

The sad fact is the threat of losing your job (as often presented in those texts) actually IS enough to force employees to work under abusive managers, in abominable conditions, and fulfill absurd requests

In some ways I find it kind of undermining the whole thing by giving people this false idea that they can just "quit" if they don't like their job

That kind of misses the point. Capitalism has been ruining people's lives for 400 years. Why do people think that suddenly in the 21st century they finally discovered "oh you can just quit???" Like no. That is the point.
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Old Today, 04:13 PM   #10823
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Like the whole reason capitalism sucks is that your boss can text you at 11pm the night before you have an off day and tell you that you either have to cover a shift or you are fired and that it often works. If antiwork were to be believed, it is just a simple choice to "not work" that could fix the problem.

Like imagine...a subreddit for people who....don't like working??? lol that is everyone

come on
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