this could basically all be said by a german in ww2 about germans who support the military

i just want it to be clear that if you think people dying from this pandemic is the fault of anyone but the government and their billionaires they serve you are brainwashed and/or part of the class that is benefiting from this eugenics program

It could be. But incorrectly.

There's a lot of grey in modern warfare. A country torturing and butchering twelve million of its own citizens while invading its peaceful neighbors is about as black and white as it gets.

At some point, you have to decide that not cooperating is worth a court martial and imprisonment. BUT I'm not unsympathetic to the people who didn't. Psychology has taught us that it doesn't take a lot of pressure from someone in authority to get people to do things that they fervently believe are wrong.

I mean, filthy, you don't kill anybody, and good for you. But when you play poker you could be taking somebody's rent money. You could be taking food out of somebody's kid's mouth. You could be the reason a family is homeless and desperate. If they do end up living in their car, because you called their bluff when they were trying to win enough to pay their landlord their back rent, do you regret your occupation? Or is it just what you do?

Soldiers are trained by very thorough people to take orders and kill. If they kill someone in Afghanistan who is trying to kill them, they are not a murderer. But the person who ordered them there may be. It depends upon the decisionmaker and their motivations, just like circumstance and motivations (should) matter when a court of law is trying to determine if a killing is murder.

And the decision maker does not have to bear the aftermath of their decision either. They don't have to look their fellow human being in the eyes and see the spark leave them. That is borne by the soldier on the ground. I think there is a lot to sympathize with there.

I mean just a few days ago American soldiers opened fire into a crowd of civilians and murdered like 15 Afghans

All over the world?

It's possible that it was managed poorly AND people are making poor choices.

Bad analogy imo.

I can see the argument for this early in the pandemic. Not in late summer 2021.

im open to being wrong about this. but i'd guess that most people, vast majority, living in countries that usa invades, bombs, and exploits don't see a lot of gray area. to them im guessing it's black and white. it's black and white to me!

and im not even talking about going to jail to oppose the military. im just talking about attitude. your attitude seems to be sympathetic to soldiers. just like im sure many germans were sympathetic to soldiers in ww2. and the reasons are largely the same...

they were trying to be part of something good
they didn't have other options
they were raised to believe in serving their country


and the reality for both nazi germany and modern day usa is racist global war, killing all over the planet to make rich people richer

Okay, filthy, but how were YOU raised? How many opinions that you grew up with have you voluntarily discarded?

I want to know if you're demanding the same critical reevaluation of your core beliefs that you demand of others.

of course

because no more Trump

just hilarious how transparent liberals are

like oh how convenient that it suddenly made sense to start blaming individuals as soon as Biden took over

LOL no.

Because there's a vaccine.

funny how that works isn’t it?

uh huh ok

The vaccines? Yeah, they've been quite effective.

like i would put how how they vaccine announcement came 3 days after the election but don’t think you are ready to have that discussion

as for me and poker and taking money away from people.... i used to struggle with it like crazy. i've talked about this before. but i resolved it by just being as nice as i could. like just randomly buying people's groceries and paying their bills. and since then i've kind of put it out of my mind

but possibly all the people i play are rich. if not all, then it's almost all.

and all occupations have ****ed up things about them. and almost all of modern life. like im typing up this message on a computer made by sweatshop labor.

pandemic is as bad as it’s ever been so wtf are you talking about

have you seen what is going on in israel?

what about Duke university where line 98% of people are vaxxed?

i've discarded so many beliefs i grew up with i can't even list them all

this is largely why i scoff at people who excuse slavers because of the time period they lived in

btw birdman too, has completely disregarded former core beliefs

You seem to think this is a Trump/Biden thing. It's not.

I'll say the same thing about COVID deaths in Canada too.

How many of those have been hospitalized?

idk about the vaccine and dems trying to take credit for it.

but iirc it's pretty solidly documented that in 1980 the release of usa hostages in iran was delayed til after the election so it wouldn't help carter win.

dems and repubs will totally do this kind of this to each other, no problem.

i mean its young healthy college aged people so i doubt many?

you know in the pfeizer trial of the 20,000 people in the control group (the people that went unvaxxed) zero died, right?

duke has an undergrad population of ~6000

in the pfizer trials of 40,000, they split 20,000 into the non-vax control group and 20,000 in the the vax group

they had 10 severe cases of covid total in the several month trial. 9 in the control group and 1 in the vax group

that means if all of Duke were unvaxxed we'd expect ~3 to go to the hospital over the course of several months

meanwhile Duke classes started what...a week ago? and there is already a huge surge and they are having to institute lock downs and mask mandates

i know this is kind of off topic, but car deaths are like 100 a day in usa. if we had like a 25mph speed limit and/or massive public transportation that number would be close to 0.

and of course all the pollution that is killing the whole planet