Yeah something like that.

a reactionary white male problem

Astronaut gun gif:

"It's just a mental health problem?"

Are the people of Taiwan considered "Chinese" in this post?

Does the rest of China have an opportunity to express unhappiness with their government?

English translation of the Law of the People's Republic of China on Safeguarding National Security in the Hong Kong Special Administrative Region

Three years in jail for undermining the government.

Yeah, I'll bet approval ratings are high.

Sorry, IANAW, do you have any concrete disagreement with what I posted, or just semi-tangential vague rhetoric?

More concrete than quoting current Chinese law?

Neverminding that your earlier post requires a connection between the efficacy of propaganda and the accuracy of its contents...

Whenever "we need you to stop criticizing us so we can be great" is a thing, it's probably a bad look to point to that greatness.

Hopefully this argument doesn't need to be fleshed out much more.

As much as I draw similarities between liberalism and marxism, the above is one clear distinction that I can perceive playing out historically.

What can a police officer kidnapping a woman and killing her, a white guy killing a bunch of Asian massage workers, and a American nationalized syrian killing a cop and a bunch of white(?) people tell us about the world?

Whatever we want it to.

Your posts aren't even worth responding to if you aren't capable of critical thinking

that depends on your goal, I suppose

I'll guess Birdman is right and that the Chinese do support China. Idk if it's overwhelming support. No idea. But if they're anything like us, 65-70% seems right.
Is that the argument here?

I mean it's much much higher. Most of the polling I have seen places it over 90% approval rating.

The original point I made is that anti-Chinese propaganda that has been pushed by the state department and the media more aggressively over the past several years was a contributing factor to the uptick in anti-Asian racism in the US.

IANAW was making the laughable argument that the propaganda was aimed at the "Chinese state not the Chinese people" and I was just pointing out how stupid that was.

Apparently, IANAW felt that the fact that "overthrowing the government" is considered illegal in China somehow bolstered his point? Didn't feel like digging down into that headache inducing maze of faulty logic.

But like, it is important to remember that IANAW is talking completely out of his ass. Anything he may bring to the table is something he just stumbled upon while googling 5 mins ago. He, self-admittedly, has no idea what he is talking about. He will tell you that this is his style of learning, or something.

No I've actually studied modern Chinese history a bit.

Googling (aka research) is still my friend, though.

Birdman, did you intentionally misattribute me citing "undermining" as "overthrowing", or was that a reading error?

I don't know what their level of support is, and I refuse to presume it.

I do see that there are structural barriers to gauging that support.


I am also aware of perennial discontent in Hong Kong and in Taiwan, places where the Chinese ideological state apparatus is less engrained, though I'm sure that can be hand waived as propaganda or something.

I mean it's so bizarre how birdman can, rightly, bemoan the role of the state in western media, yet somehow not care a bit that the state in China has far greater control of information in that territory.

Maybe "bizarre" isn't the right word.

Not that racism and propaganda isn't interesting...but the Biden admin's actual approach towards China seems more bellicose than Trump's was. Lots of articles on it. Birdman will probably say "told you so". And I'll admit I am a little surprised. Perhaps that's a result of all right wing propaganda about Hunter Biden and China. Or.....perhaps all the bellicosity is all bs? Can't actually say there. It is interesting though.

Ultimately the better line for birdman to take is not that Chinese popular support for their state links anti-government propaganda to racism, but that people here are too stupid to distinguish the state from the society (or even that we are already so racist that it's irrelevant how popular the government is, we'll just latch onto any excuse to be jerks).

He wants to shoehorn the popularity of socialism though, so w/e.

You are confusing your garbled attempt at defending US racist propaganda with a "line Birdman is taking". This is your thing. You are trying to separate the Chinese state from the Chinese people. I am saying you can't do that. But feel free to try to substantiate that in any way.

Who is conducting these polls and what is their methodology?

feel free to google it